snared to death?

[grtwhthunter/fisherman]

:rolleyes:hey guys i used to trap in 80s when legholds were legal in nj.quit when outlawed and prices dropped.when i started rats were 8-10 coon went 25-30 red fox up to 75 and greys45. and grinners went 1.50 lol.i was curious as to todays prices and does snarring kill by suffocation or just keep them there like legholds??? i wanta catch me one of them coyotes.

[R & R]

Snares must have a 2inch stop on them. Therefore the snare loop is never smaller than 2". I have yet to have a snare kill anything in it.

[ub1243]

does snarring kill by suffocation or just keep them there
i have had both. it depends on your snare, your lock and your location.
if you use a short snare and relaxing lock with no entanglement, you fox will be waiting very unhappy to see you.
if you run a longer snare with a extention, you animal will run when the snare is around it's neck. the sudden stop will pull down the lock to the deer stop. this alone won't kill a fox. but with the long snare/extention and entanglement it will wrap up on everything. you will not have to dispatch every animal.
a small profile lock will bury into the neck or body, more then a larger one. i have had hip caught fox and coon DOA.
with coyotes a deer stopped snare will kill on a neck snare. i have had them hip caught and seat belt caught, very much alive.
animals will chew a snare if thats all they have to play with. you have to give them something to fixate on. with coon, set anything within reach of a snared animal and you will see what i mean. if they have nothing to play with they will chew. thats why i like a long snare set up.
i run a 3/32-8' long extention with a 5' snare. micro, bmi mini, or slim lock. all of these are small profile, harder to see but more of a killing lock then a large washer. when a animal hits the end of a 13' leash, the lock is burried and the snare kinks right behind the lock.
buy design a nj snare isn't a killing snare. the trapper can make it a "holding" snare or a less forgiving snare simply buy what lenght, lock and entanglement.
you area will dictate what type of snare you should be setting. snares and domestic dogs don't mix well, but thats up to the trappers sets.


getting ready Harry?

[onthehunt]

Do Coyotes comunicate when snared. We had a bad problem with coyotes on our farm about 5 years ago. It was getting progressivly worse every year. To the point that if you left a deer more than a 1/2 hour it was eaten. Walking to and from stands got scary. It sounded like a solid pack of about 12 to 15 animals. I called a friend that traps and said he would come over and set some snares. First set caught a medium size female. The second week he caught a huge jet black male. Close to 60lbs. Now the owner had a 100 dollar bounty on this dog if anyone could kill it. He was nasty and once cornered his rabbit dog. The trapper told me this dog was alive and could here it howling and growling several hundred yards away. He quickly dispatched it and went along the trap line. That was three years ago and we haven't heard a howl in the area since. Is this normal:huh:

[ub1243]

our coyotes aren't very vocal at all. we have a few trappers after them plus a few who night call for them. they are pressured. i have never heard them at night. i know of one guy who called them in and they got fired up.
if a yote isn't snared real tight i would think it would let the pack know somethings wrong.
it sounds like he caught the alph male. they are the leaders of the pack. if he is lost another male takes over. that male may of wanted a fresh area to run his pack.
this is the hard part of coyote trapping. they are very smart and can hole up on a small private property until the pressures off. they did it to us last year. not a lot of sign all season, until the last week. none of us caught one last year.
by the way, i'm always looking for new properties to run on. but won't crowd another trapper.

[bigolebuck]

Snares must have a 2inch stop on them. Therefore the snare loop is never smaller than 2". I have yet to have a snare kill anything in it.

The state of NJ requires a snare to have a deer stop 6" from the end, no greater than a 12" loop, set no higher than 24" off the ground to the top of the loop for catching coyote, fox, raccoon etc... The snares deer stops are different for muskrat and mink, which must be 4" from the end and the loop size no greater than 7".

[ACEarcher]

When I started "attempting" to catch coyote in SW I had them patterned. I always, everyday, wrote down their movements. We had snow on the ground and I was able to follow their movements. I knew the day before which traps they'd be around. When I first saw the red-phase I got she started to bark and yip in the trap. Afterwards when I got close she got flat as a board and became a statue. Even when I got the female the males tracks where very close. So he was with her that night, just didn't come into the set. I know a lot of people that like to set up two sets very close to eash other cause it's possible to catch two from the same pack. I have heard them before up North and even during the light hours during turkey. They are pack dynamic animals. A dominate male will tolerate sub males, but only on the outskirts of his territory. The male I was going after was about 50lbs+. I know I had him on several times and lost him, but never got him in the end. After I got his g/f (I saw them together before I got her) he didn't come around all to often. I'm looking forward to trying soon here in Bucks Co. I have found a few tracks while turkey hunting. I know that they are they, but we'll see about trapping them. When I was trapping them in SW Pa I was using #1 3/4 & #2's, with about a 48" stake anchored very very deep. I never had one pull the stake. The female didn't even come close to pulling the stake, but she did bit the heck out of the #2. She bit the dog (on the trap) so bad I now need pliers to set that trap. I checked my line everyday at 7:30. Those traps where never out for more than 24hrs. You really don't want to give them time to get out. Don't be mistaken they are very wiley! I had paw prints in the set touching the jaws and all around the trap just never directly right on the pan!!

[ub1243]

i think what river rat was trying to say was diameter. but i though it came out to 1 1/2". i'd have to do the math.

here's one for ya.
we are talking about the loop hole with mink snares. what if you take a belise foot snare, nothing says no powered foot snare. and use it for fox and coon. the snare uses a 1/16th cable. fox and coon require a 5/64 or better. but if it's a "incidental catch" is it legal. you would have to place it within 50' of a water course. so your running a mink snare but catch a fox. ??????
you can't use a ram snare cause it keeps pulling on the snare. i already talked to our furbearer biologist about them, he said belisle foot snare is ok.

can't wait for the lil griz, if you can get them.

[R & R]

River Rat? Ok????
The real answer is I'm a cage & coni guy & shoyuld have never posted about snares. The only ones I ever used I bought were premade (yes I know lazy) & i had enough to last me for years.
Sorry for the mis-info guys.

[ub1243]

River Rat?
sorry about that, thought you were HRL. the myth, the legend, the muskrats worse enemy.:D

[Jersey Fresh Kill]

our coyotes aren't very vocal at all. we have a few trappers after them plus a few who night call for them. they are pressured. i have never heard them at night. i know of one guy who called them in and they got fired up.
if a yote isn't snared real tight i would think it would let the pack know somethings wrong.
it sounds like he caught the alph male. they are the leaders of the pack. if he is lost another male takes over. that male may of wanted a fresh area to run his pack.
this is the hard part of coyote trapping. they are very smart and can hole up on a small private property until the pressures off. they did it to us last year. not a lot of sign all season, until the last week. none of us caught one last year.
by the way, i'm always looking for new properties to run on. but won't crowd another trapper.


I have heard a pack singing over by the Willow Grove Lake area at dawn.

I know of place to trap them on State Land. A friend has a trail camera on a den. One female dragged in 7 fawn in a 2 month period over the summer.

[onthehunt]

UB1243, I'll keep you up to date with the trapping. So far the owner doesn't want any killed or trapped. His exact words were, "I don't care if he runs under your stand with a fawn in his mouth, don't kill them". He thinks the dogs keep a natural balance in the deer herd, and us hunters only are selective hunters, which is true to a degree. I still don't like them at all:(.

[onthehunt]

One other question, why when we check their droppings we only find deer hair. Why don't they kill alot of newborn turkeys? It seems the birds would be easier prey:huh:.

[ub1243]

i've got two places that haven't had a turkey on the farm in three years, yotes.

my farm went from 60 turkeys to 6 in two years. we pulled 16 red fox from the area. now the birds are back up to about 40 in one year.

not sure why the turkeys aren't getting hit by the yotes. guess you had a better fawn drop then polt production???:huh:

[onthehunt]

Is it true that yotes will move around as to not hunt an area out?

[bigolebuck]

Actually deer isn't the coyote's number 1 choice of prey! It is actually the Red and Gray Fox, but they will settle for a young, hurt or elderly deer here and there!
Both predators the coyote and the fox hunt the same and have just about the same food diet, so they are constantly in competition with each other! Obviously the coyote is on top of the food over the fox. Most of the hair that you are seeing in the waste is rabbit, squirrel, and other small furbearers and an occasional deer here and there.

[ub1243]

coyotes and reds don't get along very well. were they share land, the red loses. but the grey will stand and fight. greys hunt different areas then coyotes. were i trap i never see a grey loss to coyotes, were the reds population crashes. but for the most part coyotes are a bad thing to have, and you can never kill them all. in another five years this will be a coyote state, we will lose the reds.

[onthehunt]

Last week we found a dead/dying Red along a field. Something chewed his neck pretty good. Looks like they are back.:mad:

[BuckHammer43]

Guys

Does NJ have instruction for new trappers? [Leg hold, conibar and snare]

I would invest some time learning just to know how it's done.

[bigolebuck]

Guys

Does NJ have instruction for new trappers? [Leg hold, conibar and snare]

I would invest some time learning just to know how it's done.

NJ only allows legal snares and conibear traps only!
The conibear traps are only to be used in water not on land for muskrat and beaver, so we are forced to use snares for fox, coyote, coons, grinners, mink, nutria, and fisher... PM me if you would like a little help...

[ub1243]

sign up for a class. i'm good friends with the southern teacher.
even if you don't trap, take the class, you will learn all day long.

NJ only allows legal snares and conibear traps only!
The conibear traps are only to be used in water not on land for muskrat and beaver, so we are forced to use snares for fox, coyote, coons, grinners, mink, nutria, and fisher... PM me if you would like a little help...

we can also use cages-colony and havaheart type.
a lot of mink and nutria are taken in coni's, same with coon-but the trap has to be covered at high tide.
next year we may get to use the dog proofs, like lil griz, and duffers.

not busting balls, but some of your info is off.

[bigolebuck]

Yes I did forget to mention the cages! I hope NJ does allow us to use the lil griz next year that would be cool!!!!! Good luck this season...