Got a P&Y Buck (pics)

[BarnesX.308]

CORRECTION. Don't make it. Scores 128 gross and nets right around 120". Mostly because the one G3 is only an inch long. Outside spread was 23". Deer weighed 230lbs live weight. Originally thought to be 220lbs but found the scale needed to be calibrated.


http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/2008_Buck_2.JPG
http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/2008_Buck_4.JPG
http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/2008_Buck_10.JPG

[ub1243]

nice deer.
everything looks wet, deer and the woods. way to stay out.

[bluecollar$]

Very nice! So give us the details.....:yahooo:

[BarnesX.308]

Raining like crazy. I decided to pack it up around 6:15 PM and dry off. I decided to try rattling behind a field we see a lot of nice bucks in at night to see if one was around and would come to the horns. I smashed them together pretty good for a long session. About 3 minutes later, this guy comes in. About 20 yards. Quartering to. Could find my arrow or any blood in the flooded woods. Decided to come back in the morning. Found him this morning about 100 yards from where I hit him. Got one lung. It was 30 degrees over night so the deer was fine.

[BigBuckDown]

Awesome deer man! Good job! :thup:

[fatboy]

Really nice Job. Awesome that is a hell of an accomplishment. Congrats....

[Reel Quick]

You earned him ,Well done 308!

[fatboy]

Scott where you on the ground??? If so it is even more of an accomplishment.

[mudmarlin70]

Congratulations, nice deer!

[BarnesX.308]

I was on the ground and rattled him in. I also got this buck on the groud. Rainy day then, too.

http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/551/My_6_Pointer.JPG

[fatboy]

I was on the ground and rattled him in. I also got this buck on the groud. Rainy day then, too.

http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/551/My_6_Pointer.JPG

DUDE!!! A Pa. bear and a Pa. P&Y that is a MAJOR accomplishment. I bet there are very few who can say they have done it.:bow:

[wreckless]

Great Job!

[The Ridge]

Awesome deer !!! On the ground with a bow no less.That is challenging to say the least.:bow:
The pressures off now.
I hope you were relived of chore's for the weekend to celebrate.

[onthehunt]

Awsome Barnes:bow:. You would make Team Fitzgerald proud. Ground hunting with a bow is the ultimate challenge:)

[ACEarcher]

Nice! Congrats on the great buck!

[phillyfishing]

ral nice deer man... you might get the big one up there this yr.. again congrats on a nice deer

[BarnesX.308]

I hope you were relived of chore's for the weekend to celebrate.

Nah, it was a work weekend. The hunting was just a bonus. Besides, most of the work was done before I went out.

you might get the big one up there this yr

There are some slammers up there this year. Someone has to beat me. I don't think anyone's beating that with the bow, though. ;)

[never better]

Scott,
Great job and great buck- way to go!!!!!
Tom

[ACEarcher]

Yeah, I'm banking on my spring gobbler, but the bear is a lil more difficult. Wouldn't it be something to get a Pa grand slam this year!! Well we got the second hardest one of the three!

[dsv174]

Congrats nice buck

[skmag357]

Nice buck! I only rattled in a small 6 point on sat

[Joe D.]

Congrats on making the P&Y club :bow:!!

Hopefully, I'll meet-up with his father come Dec. 1st :thup:.

[MattG]

You were due, and to do it with the bow, from the ground plus call/rattle him in makes it all the more sweeter!!! Congrats bud!

[The Wadd]

Awesome!

[Land Locked]

Congrats, that gives this second year bow/ground hunter some hope.

[BarnesX.308]

Hunting the ground gives you a lot more flexibility. Just hunt the wind and keep movements to a minimum.

[Parkerboys]

Nice Deer..... Way to go. Seeing alot of rutting activity this weekend?

[Searching]

Way to go! That's one fine deer.:thup:

[BarnesX.308]

Seeing alot of rutting activity this weekend?

A few rubs and scrapes. Not a ton. Weather was awful for deer movement but he came to the horns and his tarsals were dark. Saw some chasing last weekend.

[shakey]

awesome, very nice

[Nitrous SwampRat]

Thats a stud. Nice deer. Congrats.
Nick

[HUNTIN-NUT]

Congrats. Terrific buck

[Shear Madness]

Very nice. Upstate ?

[BarnesX.308]

Yep. WMU 3B. Woods deer. No farms.

[mccool]

nice mtn buck

[BarnesX.308]

Mountain deer were considered small back when 1,000,000 hunters shot every spike they saw. I'm seeing a lot more decent bucks these days. Look at the bucks from the Maine big woods. Those aren't corn-fed farm bucks. ;)

[mccool]

antler restrictions are paying off he looks closer to 115" to me but whats a few inches between friends

[timbouy]

Wow I think it time for a road trip to PA.Great spread:thup:,I don't think it's gonna net for pope and young,but nets are for fishing anyway.

[BarnesX.308]

he looks closer to 115"

25 inch beam
3 inch G1
10 inch G2
5 inch G3
5 inch C1
4 inchC2
4 inchC3
2 inch C4

58 inch side

Other side

25 inch beam
4 inch G1
9 inch G2
1 inch G3
5 inch C1
5 inchC2
4 inchC3
2 inch C4

54 inch side

= 112 + 20 inch inside spread is 132"
minus 6" of side by side deductions is 126". Oops. I said 128 earlier.

I measured every beam, tine and circumference. ;)

[mccool]

thanks for clearing things up you use a one inch scale and round up instead of a one eighth scale I am pretty good at this however lets just end this he is a nice buck and you should be prould of him good job.

[BarnesX.308]

I will be getting the rack back from the taxidermist tomorrow and I'll do a very conservative mearurement and report back.

I admit, we rushed it last weekend and rounded a little. ;)

I'm sure it will be within a few inches, though ;)

[mccool]

I'm still going to try. Once I get the mounted head back I'll take that to the scorer. I measured it myself a couple of times. It ends up netting all the way down to about 120 and some change after side to side deductions. Therefore, no Pope & Young. Unless they score it higher than me, which I doubt they would :D. It will still go into the PA archery book. Anyway, I fully intend to shoot a bigger one some day so all is not lost

well scott it took a month and a half but that buck is getting pretty close to around 115" not the 132" it started out to be I guess this is as close as I will get to you admiting you were wrong I am most likely not the only one on this site that can score a buck by seeing a picture of it in the future keep this in mind I enjoy seeing pictures of your buck and everyone elses no matter how big or small they are but if your not sure then dont post it with a score :wave:

[The Wadd]

Come On Guys?? every Deer Shot is A trophy! In My book! From a Button Buck 2 A wall Hanger! Do you realy Care? I shot the best buck of my life,
and you no what Its TOPS in my BOOK!! If you take n animals life,no mater what it is,from a squiel to a 12 pointer! its a trophy! Do what you love !! Love What you Do!!!:thup:

[The Wadd]

I dont think im measuring mine right 4 an 8 pointer from what im seeing here! ilet some one else measure it for me!:thup:

[vonhess]

Wadd, you say it does'nt matter then you say your having yours scored?:confused: By the way barnes the buck in my avitar is a ten that netted 126 6/8 He's #178 in nj typ shotgun book. Will

[BarnesX.308]

well scott it took a month and a half but that buck is getting pretty close to around 115" not the 132" it started out to be

132" was the original gross score. That's the bigger number. The net, which is the smaller number, is what is around 120.

You p!ssed in my corn flakes and now you're looking for me to admit I'm wrong and apologize or something?:D:D:D

One more look at him. If you're lucky, I will be down to 90" before the new year :D

[The Wadd]

That Deer On your Wall Vonhess Is Awesome! Im Saying Id Like to no if I scored it right.

[MattG]

Who cares what it scores. I held those horns in my hands and I can tell you the spread has got to be 22" atleast. How many people can say they are in the 20" club let alone 22" plus? Can you McCool? I know tine length scores, and spread can actually be a deduction if the beam lengths are shorter than the spread. But, who are these P&Y and B&C guys anyway to tell everyone how to score a buck?!?!?! In MattG's scoreing system I'll give spread & mass the most pts as to me those are the coolest part of a bucks rack. Pope & Young and Boone & Crocket can take their scoring system and shove up their arse as far as I'm concerned! Who made these cats the authority on how to score a buck anyway? Scott, in Matt G's "Book" your buck goes 150 based on the mass & spread alone :cool:

[BarnesX.308]

Thanks Matt. Inside spread is 20.5" and greatest spread is 23". Outside spread of main beams is 22 inches. The left main beam is 25" and the right is about 23.5", if I remember correctly.

Odd thing is, McCool went and dug a post up from October to try and make me look bad - or him good? :huh:

[vonhess]

I posted the score of mine for a comparison for barnes, even though I no its hard to tell from the avitar. Will

[BarnesX.308]

I posted the score of mine for a comparison for barnes,

I appreciate it. Yours netted 126 6/8. That would be about 6 inches bigger than mine. That makes sense. I think I get a few more inches from beam length and spread, but you have a couple more points to measure and throw in there. I can't tell the mass from that picture but mine has pretty decent mass throughout the rack so it does well for itself in regards to circumference measurements.

Do you have a bigger picture of that 10? Do you remember what the spread and beam lengths were?

[tpjankowski]

great deer congratulations. late season its a real trophy. remember when scoring for p&y you only get one spread dia. and that is the largest inside dia. i just dont want you to be disapointed if you take it to get it officially scored and ther #'s arn't as high as yours. again get job on a really nice deer.

[BarnesX.308]

thanks TP =

I used the inside spread measurement of 20.5" when determining score. The 23" measurement is the greatest spread and that is actually from G2 to G2. The 22" measurement is the outside spread of the main beams themselves.

G2s are around 10 inches. The brow tines a 3 and 4 inches. The one is busted off at the tip. The G3s are what really killed me. The one is 5 inches and the other is just under an inch. Depending on where you held the tape, it could actually be considered a 7 pointer. Bases are 5 inches.

[Joe D.]

Next time, shoot a bigger deer :razz:

[Gr8ful Deer]

Next time, shoot a bigger deer

He'll need to if he is going to continue his claim that he shot a Pope & young buck! :naughty:

I don't think that McCool was actually trying to be a dick, or "pissing in Scott's cheerios." Instead, I think he (just like me) recognizes that Scott overscored the rack. :huh:

My guess is that an "official score" (not possible now that the skull plate has been broken) would have resulted in a net of 115-120". :thup:

He's a nice deer, but definitely not a P&Y record book entry. However, even without a P&Y entry,I am sure that Scott will always regard him as a trophy! :thup: He certainly sets a pretty high bar for next year! ;)

- Gr8ful

[BarnesX.308]

It was October 25th, 2008. 15 minutes before quitting time. It was raining cats and dogs all day. Fog was moving in and out. Visibility wasn't the best in the woods.

I saw a deer with a 22-23 inch wide rack that was very tall and had good mass. The buck had a huge body and had, what looked like, at least 8 points. I decided to shoot.

Had I known then that the rack would net all the way down to the 120 class, I never would have shot the thing. More trouble than it's worth.

Next bow buck will have to be at least a solid 140 class buck. Rifle? God only knows. It takes a lot to net over 170 inches. I will try my best.

[BarnesX.308]

On 2nd thought, this trophy hunting is very stressful and not very rewarding. I think I will make my life easier and revert back to the "it's brown, it's down" method of hunting deer. ;)

It's pretty easy to score a button buck. Main beams - 1". Circumferences measured each 1/4". Inside spread would be what, about 5"? No tine length. No deductions. Yeah, there we go. :D

[vonhess]

Barnes, I have the official scorers sheet somewhere I'll try to dig it up.

[mccool]

scott I congratulated you on a nice buck and in a nice way let you know that your buck scored closer to 115" the problem started when you went on the defence and showed how you scored your buck and that you measured it twice you put all the numbers in the right place so that proves

A) you know how to score a buck
B) you are missing something (which I would be glad to help with)
C) you tried to lie about how big your buck really is and got caught

scott dont play like you are some victim here you are the one who started a thread saying you shot a p&y buck then you put all the numbers in like I am a fool for questioning you :cool:

[BarnesX.308]

I will admit that the first scoring was done in haste. We were in a hurry to get going and I measured and yelled the numbers to my buddy. To make it easier, I rounded a few numbers up for easy math. I figured it would still be close. We came up with 132 gross and 126 net. I dropped the buck off at the butcher thinking I had a P&Y. The rack was 125 miles away when I started this post. The numbers I jotted down had to stick because I didn't have the rack.

When I finally got the rack back, I did a very conservative measurement and came up with a net of 119.5". I was using a metal tape measure and it was a pain in the azz. There's no doubt that an official scorer could come up with 121 or even 118. Here's what I got when I measured him and slowly and carefully in my living room.

The intent was not to fool anyone. I thought it was a P&Y for a few weeks myself.



http://www.myfishpix.com/gallery/data/500/P_Y_Score.JPG

[vonhess]

Now remember thats still green.;)

[BarnesX.308]

Did McCool say 115 green? We'll measure it again after the 60 drying period. That's at the end of the month. If we're lucky, it will shrink down to 115 :D

I officially hate the number 115!!! :mad::D

[MattG]

Next time say you meant you got a Piebald Y buck :D Then, people can correct you saying just because the stomachs white don't mean it's a piebald, but the good news is, it's not a Y buck, it's an 8 pt. :D

[The Ridge]

Now that this fire is out
Any luck on the Pictures

[BarnesX.308]

Ridge -

Crap blew up at work. I was supposed to leave at noon today and have the next two weeks off. I worked until 6:00pm tonight, I'm working tomorrow and I'm giving back my vacation days for Monday and Tuesday.

I should be able to get to them Monday afternoon or Tuesday. I'm technically supposed to be on vacation but I'm going in anyway because I'm a team player. I should be able to get away with 15 minutes of screwing around.

[The Ridge]

Thanks,
I been screwing around with Photobucket / Picasa have the photos downloaded just can not file them and slide them over.

I will be working Monday as well.Customer calls in at 4:15 today. 2 welds out of 15 on some high pressure steam lines did not pass X-Ray.Now I got to figure out why.Lack of fusion on the 2nd pass of an 1.500 wall 18" diameter Inconel 800 pipe. JOY

I will make that up next week.Monday,s goin to blow anyway

Connor's looking forward to his glory.

[BarnesX.308]

I'd be 3/4 full of egg nog right now if things went according to plan. Now it's early to rise and not for hunting.
We'll be sitting in my boss's office all morning going through paper work, trying to put together a plan for Monday. Desparate that we can be done in time to present to a QA auditor by Tuesday.

On the bright side, 5 days upstate around the new year.

[The Ridge]

I hear ya, Going to camp Jan 1,2,3,4

Thinking about going back up Jan 8,9,10. I got a call out to some barners to join me to flint.on the muzzeloader form

[The Ridge]

I'd be 3/4 full of egg nog right now if things went according to plan. Now it's early to rise and not for hunting.
We'll be sitting in my boss's office all morning going through paper work, trying to put together a plan for Monday. Desparate that we can be done in time to present to a QA auditor by Tuesday.

On the bright side, 5 days upstate around the new year.


You guys have to go thru FDA Validation in your Biz.I know your in clinical research if your Biz is like my Pharmaceutical customers FDA Validation gets everyones fur up.You can cut the tension with a knife.
Good Luck

[BarnesX.308]

Yeah, Ridge. We have to deal with them from time to time. This time it's more of a case of us discovering a problem a little too late and getting it all hammered out in record time. Somebody dropped the ball. Not me. ;)

[Sully]

BarnesX,

Don't let mccool throw you off of your game even if he is right. I'm a stickler for a lot of things, but not 'net' scores. This is only for people who feel the need to publish their accomplishments in some books that nobody, other than others in the book, ever look at anyway.

I don't want to piss in your cornflakes but i got a couple of comments that are meant to be constructive but won't come off that way. (1) Just for future reference, when you are scoring the buck the L & R side are from the deer's perspective, not you looking at it head on. I noticed in your score sheet that you have 0" for the G3 on the right side when it is actually the left side which has no G3. That being said, if there is no official G3 then you are measuring a 4 x 3 rack and there can also be no H4/C4 (circumference) measurement for this side either. The deer basically scores as a mainframed 6 pointer if you really want to get technical about the whole thing.

One thing is for certain, this is a great bowhunting accomplishment (and from the ground no less) and you should be proud of the harvest. Best bets for scoring is to simply use the SCI/Gross B&C score to label the animal in the most respectful way. When you see Stan Potts and all the other celebrities knock down a 150" buck on TV do you think he's giving you the gross or the net..? I'll bet you it's gross 100% of the time. I shot a 180" buck this year that nets 137" - what # do you think I'm going to use to best describe that one.

Once again - nice animal and congratulations.

[BarnesX.308]

you are measuring a 4 x 3 rack and there can also be no H4/C4 (circumference) measurement for this side either.

Really? I didn't know that.

I assumed that you would pick two points, equal distant between the last tine and the end of the main beam. Like measuring an 8 pointer. When you measure a 10 pointer, the last circumference is between the G3 and G4. With an 8, it's half way between the G3 and beam end.

So, if that G3 was 1/4" longer, and conted as a point, it would give me 2 more net inches in tine length plus 2 or 3 more inches in circumference. Instead, its getting nothing for tine length and losing 2 or 3 inches in circumference. That one quarter inch ends up netting about 8 inches in loss. Does the other circumference ended up counting as a side-side deduction as well? Another -3 inches? Ending up losing 11 inches?

[BarnesX.308]

if there is no official G3 then you are measuring a 4 x 3 rack and there can also be no H4/C4 (circumference) measurement for this side either. The deer basically scores as a mainframed 6 pointer if you really want to get technical about the whole thing.

Oh crap!!! If this is the case, the rack would net at around 115.5" and make McCool almost dead on. :eek:

[Sully]

Scott,

You understand perfectly. The last circ on an 8 is halfway between the G3 and the end of the main beam, whereas for a 6 ptr the 3rd measurement is done the same 1/2 way between the G2 and the end of the main beam and you do not get a fourth circ. You are right on, that 1/4" short tine for the G3 cost you it's length and then both of the H4 circ's, and also a little bit on the 3rd circumference on this side as well as you will be moving out towards the end of the beam a little further than you originally measured that one as well.

Still a great buck in Sully's book and one that would make a majority of all bowhunters very proud. Remember the way that buck made you feel during and after the hunt, but before you got into a scoring match with mccool.

[Ole 20 Point]

Whew! I shot my biggest buck this year, a 10pt, and didn't score it. Boy am I glad I didn't report that info on here! It ain't woth the crap ya get! :fight::nuts::D

But after all this talk and several people asking me what it did score I called the taxidermist and asked him to rough score it for me. I haven't heard back yet. But I think I'll keep it a secret re what my lil ole buck scored!!!:razz:

P.S. Hey McCool. It was a rifle buck and I know it's not B&C worthy, but since you can eyeball it and almost tell...take a look at the pic on my profile...so what's your educated guess? I have no clue. :huh:

[BarnesX.308]

Remember the way that buck made you feel during and after the hunt

Thanks, Sully. And the way I'll feel when he comes back from the taxidermist. ;) He was 230lbs so he's going to make an impressive shoulder mount. Neck was 29". It might have puffed up a little more in a couple of weeks at the height of the rut.

I have the rack now so I know it's way more impressive than the net score would reveal. Here's my favorite picture.

[mccool]

hey scott you have to make a tough decision are you a trophy hunter? do you want to shoot a big buck or not if you do you will have to learn to score a buck on the hoof in a matter of seconds if you dont care then your buck is a buck of a lifetime if you do then your buck is a 4.5 year old that scores below trophy stats I am not here to judge if someones buck is a trophy or not I just know what I see and how it scores ;)

ps, ole 20 point your pic of that 10 pt is hard to get a good look but I
would gross him at around 122"

happy new year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BarnesX.308]

With the limited amount of time in the field and living 125 miles away from my hunting property, passing up too many bucks leads to lots of tag soup. :D

I don't know if I'm a trophy hunter or not. My 1st goal is to get a buck bigger than ones I've gotten in the past. My next goal is not to get skunked. I might pass up a 100" 8 pointer in October but shoot a smaller 6 pointer in late December.

This last buck was big-bodied, 23 inches wide, high and heavy. Had to make a split decision. Never noticed that short G3. It wouldn't have mattered, though, I still would have shot him. ;) However, if that G3 matched the other one, we'd be talking about a P&Y buck.

[mccool]

p&y dont give extra credit for he had a big neck,it was raining,
I was on the ground ,he had a big spread,if his g3 was longer.he was 230 lbs, I dont have a lot of time to hunt, and last but not least my hunting spot is 130 miles away all really good excusses but it is what it is:D

[vonhess]

Sully, When measuring circumfrence, do you measure at thinnest point?

[BarnesX.308]

p&y dont give extra credit for he had a big neck,it was raining,
I was on the ground ,he had a big spread,if his g3 was longer.he was 230 lbs, I dont have a lot of time to hunt, and last but not least my hunting spot is 130 miles away all really good excusses but it is what it is

Just 5 years ago, the average buck shot in the PA big woods was a 1.5 year old spike that was 140lbs live weight. A forkhorn would warrant a call to the taxidermist. A basket 8 pointer would win the county big buck contest, hands-down.

Pope & Young would also give the same credit for a 125" deer shot over a bait pile on a Texas ranch as they would a 125" deer on state land in PA that only eats twigs and pine cones. ;)

[MattG]

Scott, what you gotta do is forget about what a deer scores and just take pride in the challenge of harvesting a mature animal. Think of the % of Chics that become 10's once adults, the % of Bucks becoming P&Y or B&C class bucks once mature isn't no better! Plus, you're not hunting some trophy managed farm land lease in the midwest, you're hunting heavily pressured PA big woods, for christs sake. The chances of deer living much past 2.5, let alone getting to 5.5 is slim and the chances of those deer that do make it getting to "Net" P&Y or B&C scores even slimmer. To harvest a mature - 3.5 yr plus year old buck in PA is an accomplishment in itself, never mind the "score". I don't know where these guys who call them selves "Trophy Hunters" on this board are hunting around here whether it be NJ or PA, but if they are going to hold out for "book bucks" every year, I think they are going to be dissapionted in their success rate. All I hunt is bucks, and I don't even look at the rack of a deer to field judge it, if i did, I'd shoot more 2.5's than I care to! You look at how filled out he is front & back, how deep the chest is, the distance between the bottom of the eye and the jaw, if it all the signs indicate it's a mature animal you're looking at, you shoot it. Period, end of story!

[BarnesX.308]

Hey, I'm just doing my job and taking out the cull bucks. ;):D

Just found out that we're heading up to the mountains early. This afternoon :thup:.

[ACEarcher]

Think of the % of Chics that become 10's once adults, the % of Bucks becoming P&Y or B&C class bucks once mature isn't no better!

LOL!!!! LMAO!!!!! Great analogy!! LOL

Score is over rated. I shoot big bucks cause i like the challenge. Harvesting older buck in Pa is very difficult no matter what area of the state you hunt. Our buck are hunted and most hunter hard. But yet despite all the hunters, high tech equipment, etc they still manage to survive. To harvest an animal that consistantly evades me is my goal.

[bluecollar$]

I rip pages out of P&Y and wipe my azz with them after a dump:D Who cares about a book no one has ever seen......

[mccool]

vonhess yes it is

[Sully]

Sully, When measuring circumfrence, do you measure at thinnest point?

Vonhess,

Yes the smallest circumference you can find for each measurement, until you reach the last one. For an 8 pointer, for instance, the H4 would be taken on the main beam exactly 1/2 the distance between the G3 and the end of the main beam. In Scott's case, since this is his thread, his H3 is measured 1/2 the distance between the G2 and the end of the main beam and he does not get an H4 circumference because this side doesn't have an official (1") G3.

For a normal 10 pointer though, the H1 is the 'smallest' circumference between pedicle and brow tine(G1), the H2 is the 'smallest' circ between G1/G2, H3 smallest circ between G2/G3, and H4 smallest circ between G3/G4.

[Sully]

Checked out your profile picture - Congrats on that buck ol 20 pt..! I'm with Mccool on this one...I come up with about 122-124 gross. Let us know how it turns out.

I'll post my rifle buck from this year in my profile if I can figure out how - it grossed 179 6/8. My buddy tagged a 178 4/8 as well from the same farm. It had a drop and third beam. I'll put that one in there too, once again if I can do it (I'm a little computer illiterate).

[Sully]

I posted a few pictures from 2007 and 2008 in my albums. Missed the one from 2007 during bow and had a close encounter with the 2008 buck during bow as well. One of these years I'll get a good one with the bow - but for now I'm not going to pass up on them with the gun.

[bassassassin8]

Sully, those are some incredible lookin deer

[Ole 20 Point]

Checked out your profile picture - Congrats on that buck ol 20 pt..! I'm with Mccool on this one...I come up with about 122-124 gross. Let us know how it turns out.

I'll post my rifle buck from this year in my profile if I can figure out how - it grossed 179 6/8. My buddy tagged a 178 4/8 as well from the same farm. It had a drop and third beam. I'll put that one in there too, once again if I can do it (I'm a little computer illiterate).Thanks sully! He's definitely not bad for a PA buck in my area. But mine sure doesn't compare to the monsters you guys are taking out there in Wisconsin...WOW! congrats to you too!!! :thup: Also thanks for your score guess Sully. I have not heard back yet from the taxidermist about a score...guess I may have to bug him again. :please:

[vonhess]

Sully, Thanks for the info. If you would'nt mind check out ba-rack in bow hunting forum give me your best guess score. thanks. Will. Oh by the way if you ever get a hankering to invite one of us under privileged south jersey boys up for a shot at the big boys, let me be the first to volunteer.:wave::wave::D Thanks again Will

[BarnesX.308]

I'll post my rifle buck from this year in my profile if I can figure out how - it grossed 179 6/8.

Yeah, but you're in Wisconsin. Don't the fawns score in the 150s up there? :D

[Sully]

Yeah, but you're in Wisconsin. Don't the fawns score in the 150s up there? :D

Barnesy,
Contrary to popular belief, there are not bick bucks behind every tree in Wisconsin - nor Iowa or any other state for that matter. And each state is also very limited in true trophy potential to certain areas where population is low, land is highly privatized, and mineral content is high. This yields age + nutrition.

I travel almost four hours to my hunting lease along the Mississippi River which took me 8 years to zero in on. In ten years of hunting I finally took the (2) deer that I posted in my albums during the last two. Realistic expectations are that I will likely not get to shoot at another 4.5+yr old deer again for a long time - maybe never again...but I'll keep trying. Just a couple of exceptional years for me.

I average about 18-20 full days of hunting per year (all the wife and kids will stand for) and these were the ONLY 2 mature deer that I saw. I didn't even see a 3.5 yr old either year, and I can count the 2.5 year olds that I saw on both hands. It's not like we're picking and choosin which one to shoot. If it ever gets that way I'll give Vonhess a call to come and get one that I have tied to a tree for him :)

[Sully]

Sully, Thanks for the info. If you would'nt mind check out ba-rack in bow hunting forum give me your best guess score. thanks. Will. Oh by the way if you ever get a hankering to invite one of us under privileged south jersey boys up for a shot at the big boys, let me be the first to volunteer.:wave::wave::D Thanks again Will

Von - congrats on that awesome buck..definitely a mature deer. Best guess based upon the pictures and your reference points of 6" G1's and 10" G2's, I see 8" G3's and a 1.5" G4 on right. Spread 17 3/4" and I would venture 16.25" of mass per side (this is the hardest to estimate from pictures) with 5" H1, 4" H2 and H3's and 3.25" on H4's. Beams approx 20" gives a total of about 139 6/8" gross and I'll say 136ish net.

Did you get it officially or unofficially scored? What did you come up with?

[Sully]

OK Von,

Now it's your turn. Score the 8 pointer on my avatar - there are 3 photos of it in my album for 2007.

Sully

[BarnesX.308]

I was just ribbin' ya, Sully.:D

However, I think you guys have better potential for bigger racks than here in the northeast. Where our 4.5 yo deer might score 130-140, yours will score 170. There's definitely exceptions to the rule as PA is really starting to turn up some big deer, but the midwest certainly has some hosses. :eek:

[vonhess]

SULLY, Thanks thats about what I figured,140, high 130's. All I can tell from your avitar is he's a beauty.:thup: Thanks again for your educated guess. If I came up to hunt with ya, ya don't have to tie the deer to the tree, I'm better than that. You could give him about 10' of rope and maybe a blindfold so he doesn't catch me moving. :D Will