Triple Seven Magnum Pellets

[Pagrizz]

I just tried the new mag pellets .I'm impressed. I sight my Encore at 75 yards with two regular triple seven pellets and I hit a little above at 50 and about 1.5 inches low a 100. With the magnums I hit the same at 50 , but I was 4 inches higher at 100. I was using 250gr T/C sabots and was getting 1 inch groups. The ad says a 250gr bullets will hit 2000fps with two of the mag pellets. I'm going to check the speed this weekend on my chorny.

[chicklets]

Thanks for the info. I am working on a load for my encore. This is very helpful.

[QuintonZ29]

Hey Pagrazz....since you have a crono. shoot a shot with the regular triple 7 and a load with the magnums...see how many feet per second you pick up...i'm just curious...I just went to triple 7 magnum last year...I love how clean burning they are and the lack of the rotten egg smell....the only thing I notice is the kick...they do kick alot harder than the regular triple 7...just wondering how many feet im gaining with the mags.....If I didnt buy 2 boxes of the magnums I would have gone back to the regular ones...

[Pagrizz]

I shot the triple seven and mag pellets over my chorny and my buddys this morning and did not like results.We shot three different guns and four different bullets The mag did not go over 1800fps and the triple seven was around 1500fps. We swabbed the barrels after every shot .The groups were good but the speeds were not as advertized. I called Hodgdon and told them how they shot. They put me in touch with the man who did the testing and he swore the mag's went over 2000fps and the old sevens went over 1700fps out of the same guns we used.He is sending me some new ones in case the ones I had my have been sitting for awhile .He also said if it is humid it can effect the burning rate, but I told him it is hard to drop 200fps because of it being humid.I'll let you know how the new ones do.

[BarnesX.308]

It looks like you got 300fps more from the magnums than the regular (1500-1800). The guy at Hogdon's experienced the same difference of 300fps between the two 1700-2000. They must be over-reporting the velocity of the regular pellets too. Either that or your gun and his gun are actually quite different. :huh: Barrels the same length? How about primers? Are they using hotter primers at Hogdon's?

[Pagrizz]

It looks like you got 300fps more from the magnums than the regular (1500-1800). The guy at Hogdon's experienced the same difference of 300fps between the two 1700-2000. They must be over-reporting the velocity of the regular pellets too. Either that or your gun and his gun are actually quite different. :huh: Barrels the same length? How about primers? Are they using hotter primers at Hogdon's?
I asked the man at Hodgdon what guns he used .He shot T/C Encore and an a Omega plus some Cva's .I shot a Encore an Omega and a Remington.I shot Barnes ,Powerbelt and T/C bullets all 245 or 250 gr. The same as Hodgdon. He used Winchester triple seven primers .The same ones I used.He told me the weather conditions I was shooting in could have had something to do with the burning rate of the pellets,but if you can get a 300fps change because its humid or raining it's going to change where your bullet is going to hit.I'm going to try them again when he sends me some new ones.I'm not sure how close you live to Atglen rifle range , but if you what to try some out of your gun when I get the new ones in let me know.

[HUNTIN-NUT]

I shoot loose Triple 7 powder in my Encore and load 120 grains loose behind the Barnes 250 grain expander bullet. Everytime I have chrono'd that load it comes up the same 2216fps. I like the loose powder myself so have not tried the pellets. I have been amazed as the velocity just doesn't seem to change shot to shot either. My low has been 2215 and high 2217. I can't get that tight a deviation with standard rifle reloading. Over the years I have tried all the powders out there and have not found anything that comes close to the velocity of the 777 grain for grain. Just my experience.

[Pagrizz]

I have tried the loose powder and could not get the groups I got with the pellets , but I was loading 100grs not 120. I'll have to up my load next time and see.How do you get the barnes bullet down your encore?I love that bullet in my Remington 700ml, but it will not go in my encore.That could be why you are getting those speed ,because the expanders are so tight .I called t/c and they told me that their barrels were to tight and not to force them down the barrel..Then I called TY at barnes and he said they were not going to change anything just to fit the T/C guns on the expanders.

[BarnesX.308]

I'm not sure how close you live to Atglen rifle range

Never heard of the place. I'm in Montgomery County and hunt Sullivan.

[HUNTIN-NUT]

pagrizz- I will admit that the Barnes are tight in the barrel but go down fine in mine. Funny thing though - 5 of us bought our Encores at the same time form same place and are only digits off in serial numbers. 3 of our guns shoot my load the same - the other 2 no where near as good and the bullets seem looser in the barrels. That is the one thing with muzzleloaders - they do not have the same production standards such as the saami standards for rifles so you get allot of variation in muzzle diameter and possibly why everyones sabots are different sizes. Only thing one can do is try many different things to see what works best in their individual gun. I noticed in mine that the velocity increase and group tightness improved to 120 grains - accuracy at 130 was similar but the velocity gain was only something like 6fps which is why I settled on the 120 grain load. Above 130 and it was similar - marginal velocity gain as most of the powder was being burned outside the barrel. Chronos really tell the tale and are a great benefit if you have one.

[BarnesX.308]

Huntin-Nut

This could easily explain a couple hundred fps variation from one gun to the next. The chamber pressure would be vastly different.

[Pagrizz]

Never heard of the place. I'm in Montgomery County and hunt Sullivan.Atglen gun range is right on the Chester and Lancaster county lines on rt 41.It has a 500 meter range with private blackpowder and pistol ranges .Where in Sullivan county do you hunt .I had a piece of land on rt 220 right on the Bradford county line.I agree about the higher speeds of the bullets in the tighter barrels with the pellets.I wish I could get the barnes expanders down my encore or my omega, but I would have to use a mallet .I probably would get over 2000fps .

[HUNTIN-NUT]

Atglen sportsman club is an awesome club. I used to be a member when I shot allot of competition small bore and high bore silhouettes which they shoot there on a monthly basis. I regret giving up my membership but just can't get out there very often.They have ranges there to 500 meters with solid benches, sporting clays, indoor handgun and olympic training pellet rifle programs, archery, etc. Great place if you are close enough to take advantage.

[SNJBOWHUNTER]

I tried tripple seven and had problems with getting my gun sighted in. But the gun was easier to clean. I seemed to have better luck with pyrodex but there is more cleaning involved. Does anyone know of another pellet to use?

[eastcoasthunter]

Anyone have trouble getting their ram rod stuck in the barrel while cleaning in between shots using Triple 7? I typically clean my barrell after every three shots with patch's wetted with T/C cleaning liquid. At the range lat week I had the ram rod get stuck in the barrel two different times and ended up breaking off the brass T handle screw in the rod while trying to pull it out. I never had this problem using the Pyrodex pellets.

[Pagrizz]

I have a tight spot just where the pellets leave a residue where they start to burn, but I have never heard of anyone having one that tight.I have a problem when I put the first patch in ,but after that the other patches go through easy and I clean after three shots also.If you keep having this problem you might want to run a brush first to break it up then go to patches.

[Lucky Bucks]

Pagrizz or anybody, Have you tryed the Pyrodex pellets to see what fps you get with them??

[BuckHammer43]

Pagrizz

Your 209 primer is too hot.

Try one of the special M/L 209s now on the market or look at the following link for two other options to the 209 that don't give you 'ring around the barrel'.

http://www.eabco.com/VariFlame25ACP.htm

[QuintonZ29]

If you have the problem of getting stuck with the triple 7 try using a smaller or thinner patch....I love how easy it is to clean the gun after shooting with just warm water...

[Pagrizz]

Pagrizz

Your 209 primer is too hot.

Try one of the special M/L 209s now on the market or look at the following link for two other options to the 209 that don't give you 'ring around the barrel'.

http://www.eabco.com/VariFlame25ACP.htm
I have tried every brand of M/L primers on the market and it has not changed anything . I called Hodgdon and told them I did not have a problem with their old pellets just the triple seven .A man named Mike told me it was the residue from the way the triple seven's burn and their test guns did it,but he had never heard of someone breaking their ram rod when cleaning the barrel.He suggested the same thing about running a brush down the barrel first to break the residue up then a patch.

[Pagrizz]

Pagrizz or anybody, Have you tryed the Pyrodex pellets to see what fps you get with them??
Check out the # 4 post on thread.

[Lucky Bucks]

I shot the triple seven and mag pellets over my chorny and my buddys this morning and did not like results.We shot three different guns and four different bullets The mag did not go over 1800fps and the triple seven was around 1500fps. We swabbed the barrels after every shot .The groups were good but the speeds were not as advertized. I called Hodgdon and told them how they shot. They put me in touch with the man who did the testing and he swore the mag's went over 2000fps and the old sevens went over 1700fps out of the same guns we used.He is sending me some new ones in case the ones I had my have been sitting for awhile .He also said if it is humid it can effect the burning rate, but I told him it is hard to drop 200fps because of it being humid.I'll let you know how the new ones do.

Thanks Pagrizz but i was looking for the fps for the pyrodex pellets and don't see it in the #4 post as you can see the quote above:huh:All i see is for the 777 and the mag 777.

[Pagrizz]

Thanks Pagrizz but i was looking for the fps for the pyrodex pellets and don't see it in the #4 post as you can see the quote above:huh:All i see is for the 777 and the mag 777.I did check the fps on the original pellets when they first came out and they are very close to the triple 7's .The main differance was you did not have to keep the the black 4f ends down.From what I saw the speeds did not change they just made it easier to load.So the speeds I have for the triple sevens can be used for yours.

[Lucky Bucks]

I did check the fps on the original pellets when they first came out and they are very close to the triple 7's .The main differance was you did not have to keep the the black 4f ends down.From what I saw the speeds did not change they just made it easier to load.So the speeds I have for the triple sevens can be used for yours.

Thank you very much:thup: