Flint lock= Muzzel loading? I think not.

[Reel Quick]

Just wanted to send this out there and see what you thought?
A piece of flint on frizzen,
compared to a cap and ball,
not to mention an in line rifle with water proof capabilities,
is like comparing an X bow to a recurve.
I have had an issue with this for years since I started Flint lock.
Not banging any one that wants to join a new season that wants to meat in the freezer.
But I do think that Flint lock should be considered Flint lock and not be grouped into muzzle loading.We have our own season,but when I talk to guys at camp and work I hear YEAH we Muzzle load.
You use a shot gun Primer??
My 2 cents,What do you think? Sorry it just ain`t the same to me.
Thanks.

[fraid.knot]

I agree the best of all the seasons and the most diffacult is flint lock ,and the most rewarding and I hunt all the seasons .I belive it is also should be moved up to an earlier time with flint lock only .they could move muzzle to a later date with shotgun . Sounds good to me:thup:

[Pagrizz]

I look forward to flintlock season.I wish they would have left it round ball only.Do not get me wrong because I hunt with a in-line ,but there is something special about my old 54 cal flint.

[Reel Quick]

I agree!:thup:

[IMR]

I agree completely. If I remember correctly, it was the idea of the Primitive Weapon that got the whole thing started years ago. Granted there were even air rifles that predated all of this. In-lines are nothing new, just highly developed these days. I just don't think that scope mounted ML's fit the spirit.

[Pagrizz]

I agree completely. If I remember correctly, it was the idea of the Primitive Weapon that got the whole thing started years ago. Granted there were even air rifles that predated all of this. In-lines are nothing new, just highly developed these days. I just don't think that scope mounted ML's fit the spirit.
You brought up about when it used to be the primitive weapons season and it reminded me about the time I ran into a game warden with my T/C Hawkins.He told me I was hunting with an illegal gun.Primitive weapons were before 1800 and the Hawkins were not made until 1850's.He was right.Penna lets it go ,but a warden in a bad mood could write you up.

[n.y.griz]

I think the season should be traditional only.Blk powder flintlocks and percussions.recurve and longbow only.Keep it a primitive season only,just my 2cents.Griz

[Buck Tales]

My $.02 is let the flint lock boys have a season of their own and have an open season as well for the rest of the smoke poles. Flint is way harder to harvest game with then the other muzzle loaders out there. You still only have 1 shot with either gun so it does fall into the same playing field, but inlines and cap locks are not the same as flints and it would be nice to see a flint only season added in Jersey. Maybe as an extra during permit bow in November. Bottom line, you ain't gonna pick a flint up after sittin all year and go out and shoot something with out practicing like you could with your inline and 3X9 scope.

[briarpatch]

This is an interesting thread. I started hunting ML season with a T/C New Englander caplock. Killed my first NJ deer with it. I loved hunting with it. Along came inlines, and I went with 'progress' and bought one. Put a scope on it, and never looked back...until now. Was looking at the New Englander, and the simplicity of it....and will be going back to it, and the inline may just start collecting dust. I know it's not a flintlock, but I'll leave that for another phase in my life. Maybe as I get older, I want things to be simpler.

[n.y.griz]

Sorry,didn't mean inlines.Ment traditional percussion blk.powder rifles.Lived in Jersey all my life till i retired in N.Y.Always wanted to see a primitive season in Jersey.Pushed for it while i was(still am)in the UBNJ but it fell on deaf ears.O'h Well.Griz

[massbaster]

Muzzle loading means to load the gun thru the muzzle. Your arguing semantics to be honest. Same can be said for long bow/take down vs compound.

In pennsylvania there is "Muzzle Loading" season which includes percussion caps and flint locks and then theres a "Flintlock" season for only flintlocks and scopes are not allowed.

When I refer to my flintlock I always say I hunt with a "flintlock", I never say muzzle loader or black powder because it names very broad of a group of fire arms.

[IMR]

Anyone try this yet. I know of one craftsman in WVa who was really impressed with the results from a 250 gr bullet/sabot with 75 gr. 3F. Said it was a mild load that put deer DOWN. Any thoughts ?

[Reel Quick]

I shoot a 240 gr. with 100 gr.powder. I have yet to get the chance to try it on game,:rolleyes: but I wouldn`t wanna be in front of it. Sounds like it would work to me.

[SurfDuffer]

I for one think that only primitive guns should be allowed for Muzzle Loader Season. Traditional Flint Lock and Percussion with an external hammer and cap. Guns should absolutely have to conform to designs from prior to the Civil War.

If you want to use one of these new style guns knock yourself out but you should have to use it during the regular rifle and gun deer seasons. It goes 100% against why the muzzle loader seasons were created.

[Jerseybuck]

I think the season should be traditional only.Blk powder flintlocks and percussions.recurve and longbow only.Keep it a primitive season only,just my 2cents.Griz

Absolutely, Primitive Arms is how it should be. Scopes don't belong on Muzzle Loaders. Percussions aren't 100%.

[The Ridge]

Frankly don't give a chit.
Here in PA I would bring my Pedersolli Kentucky in. 45 cal out for our early Muzz season while the crowd carried the 209 primer 2 pellet pyrodex sabot packing scope mounted modern Muzz. Never bothered me.

My Kentucky knocked deer down just as well out 80yds :thup:

[sharpes45]

Anyone can shoot an in-line.Way to easy.Flintlocks with patch and ball take practice and dedication, much more challenging. My 54 is deadly at 100 yds.+ May use it in regular rifle season this year. Missed some , got some. The thrill is in the hunt.

[SurfDuffer]

I actually resent the in-line guys. Its taking advantage of the spirit of why muzzle loading seasons were created.

This may really sound gay these days but when my father and I first got involved in muzzle loading back in the late 70s we even dressed the part complete with all the home made buck skin accessories. It was actually pretty popular back then to hunt in buckskinner attire. It was all about being true to the era. Don't know if anyone is involved in buckskinning these days.

[n.y.griz]

Hey Surfduffer,i belong to a BP groupe,we still do the buckskin thing.Hunt,camp,shoot etc.I agree with everyone else,inlines in regular gun seasons.I have a couple inlines and it wouldn't bother me if they were in regular seasons.Don't use em anymore any way.Love my flintlocks and the primite dress.Griz

[n.y.griz]

Sorry ment primitive dress.Griz

[Jerseybuck]

It was actually pretty popular back then to hunt in buckskinner attire. It was all about being true to the era. Don't know if anyone is involved in buckskinning these days.

I remember my Uncle got it bad. Bowie Knives and even hatchet / knife throwing.

[Reel Quick]

I here in Pa.as well. I do give a cheet. No disrespect,I`m talking tradition ..what this USA is loosing.
Some where, some how,some one fought for our right to have our own season.
We got the right to have our own season.
My point was that Flint Lock is muzzle loading.
It`s Flint lock.Dumping powder,priming pans,flint against steel ?
Not dropping Pyrex, and a water proof shot gun primer. Yeah, its raining ...lets go!
I bow hunt .. that does not mean cross bow at ALL!
One day a year with a rifle..tradition..that`s rifle.
I just think the in line sheet is considered high power, anti weather, anti human error.Just load and shoot.....
like a bullet...= rifle, not Flint lock.
OK..they load through the muzzle.....But it ain`t flint lock.
Call me when you PU 3F powder.

[Pagrizz]

I here in Pa.as well. I do give a cheet. No disrespect,I`m talking tradition ..what this USA is loosing.
Some where, some how,some one fought for our right to have our own season.
We got the right to have our own season.
My point was that Flint Lock is muzzle loading.
It`s Flint lock.Dumping powder,priming pans,flint against steel ?
Not dropping Pyrex, and a water proof shot gun primer. Yeah, its raining ...lets go!
I bow hunt .. that does not mean cross bow at ALL!
One day a year with a rifle..tradition..that`s rifle.
I just think the in line sheet is considered high power, anti weather, anti human error.Just load and shoot.....
like a bullet...= rifle, not Flint lock.
OK..they load through the muzzle.....But it ain`t flint lock.
Call me when you PU 3F powder.I agree with everything you have listed,but there is one thing I don't see on your list.My 54 is as traditional as I can make it.I do not have any optic sights that all the new ones come with.How do feel about them?

[SurfDuffer]

Nothing more modern than the gun below should ever be allowed during muzzle loader season. Period.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/mako224/WestVirginia071.jpg

[IMR]

I agree. So, I waited a year for this and I'm going to get another.
Flint and steel. Sorry the photos are not so good, but hope you get the idea.

[sharpes45]

Did you purchase the gun from Dixon's ? Looks like something they would have for sale. Do you know who built the gun ? Am building a Hawken 54 for myself. Hope to have it done for next season.

[IMR]

Hey Sharpes- No, this rifle was built by Allan Sandy from W Va. But I did pick it up at Dixon's. It's .50. Dixon's Riflemakers Fair is the last weekend in July. If you are into black powder it's the place to be. And at the Fair you will see a number of riflemakers. Buy some good English flints, possibles bag, ramrods, ball, patching, knives, hawks, horns, etc. And the very best homemade while you watch lemonade anywhere. $4 a glass. If you need ball and powder go a week or three early. That store is packed on Fair days. And take a good walk through before buying anything.

[Reel Quick]

Grizz I don`t know what your 54 is???? My friend.
I dont think cap and ball is flint lock .Thats just me ?????
But I`m 39 and it was I learn for to be accepted.
Flint lock is Flint lock ?
Cap and ball is cap and ball?
In line is in line?

I can use a semi shot gun for dove........... 3 rounds.
But my Rugar semi 44 or sks is a no go ?
My 2 cents...you guys hunt and fish so your OK in my book.

[Pagrizz]

My 54 is a flint.

[Reel Quick]

Your OK in my book.:D
A snow flake falls on a flint or frizzen, were F-ed Right ?
Hit a capped M loader with a down pour and your OK?
Not the same.
Just saying....Flint lock is flint lock.
IMR...Beautiful.
Surf ???is that an INVESTARM SPA ??

[Buck Tales]

I agree, those flint locks look great over the fire place where they are easy to keep dry. :razz: LMAO!!!! Now that there is funny. I use ALL each season, inline and cap to fill freezer, Flint to just have fun and test my skills, and test it does do. I never got into the whole buck skin thing, but that wasn't because I didn't want to. I think it looks really cool to see someone in full buck skins out hunting. I might just have to go down that road next year and I could use them when I take out my long bow also. :thup:

[rockyrest]

I had a hard time of hitting anything with my loaders. So one day I sat at the shooting bench and shot mini,maxi,sabot and round balls. The best group I got was from .490 balls with a .15 patch. So with a feeling of finally hitting where I aimed I went out Oct 18th. and had this girl staring at me at 50 yds. First was a misfire. Pulled hammer back again and threw the smoke thought I saw her drop. Perfect shot in the chest! WooHoo!
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o287/mikastorm/20111018_1528.jpg

[Reel Quick]

That`s a Great picture.

[SurfDuffer]

Your OK in my book.:D
A snow flake falls on a flint or frizzen, were F-ed Right ?
Hit a capped M loader with a down pour and your OK?
Not the same.
Just saying....Flint lock is flint lock.
IMR...Beautiful.
Surf ???is that an INVESTARM SPA ??

That is a Thompson Center Hawkin .50 Percussion. I have 3 Thompson Center Hawkin style rifles. I have the .50 Hawkin in both Percussion and Flintlock and I have the .36 Seneca percussion. My favorite, by the way is the Seneca which was inherited from my grandfather.

[rockyrest]

Thanks. lol A real poser ain,t I...haha
The skinnin and quartering was after the pix. That deer was in a cooler for 6 days and was the best eater I ever had. Tender, wow!
That`s a Great picture.