One week a year hunters

[Birdman2787]

So it starts every August, baiting, scouting, sitting in my stand without a weapon just to see how the deer are moving, where their beds are and their trails to and from their beds and feeding areas. Have spent countless hours doing my "homework", hundreds of dollars on bailt, and equipment, and many days in the stand passing up smaller bucks hoping the next will be the monster that I captured on my trail cam. I have their patterns down pretty well, I know about the time that they move, and where they are going, yet the big ones still escape me. But this doesn't stop me from trying. THEN, along comes the six day firearms week. I am in my stand at 0530, then at about 0730 everything changes. A sea of orange comes floundering through the woods, hooting and hollaring "YO BUCK." :thdown: Well there goes all the deer in the area, and all my time, money and energy that I have put into this area that I am hunting. Everyone knows that once a bunch of people go pushing through a piece of woods the deer become super spooked and takes anywhere from a a couple of weeks or more for the deer to start moving in somewhat of a pattern again. All because several guys want to hunt for one week out of the entire year. So there I am sitting in my stand as this group fummbles through the woods shooting at everything that has a resemblence of antlers, spike's and all, that happens to jump out of a laurel bushes. I know not everyone is a one week a year hunter as my title implies, but I know for a fact that quite a good number do in fact get their license only to hunt in this fashion during shotgun week and thats it. Is this fair to the people who have done so much pre-planning?:naughty: These guys just ruined practically the rest of the season for not just me but for so many others as well in a matter of 30 minutes. Then they move on to another property where it might happen to another dedicated hunter. In my opinion, this is not sportsmans like, and I do not consider this hunting. I am sure people know what they are doing, when they go "driving" through the woods, and I think they should act in more of a moral, and sportsmans like manner. I think this type of game pursit should be illegal. None of us would be allowed to just randomly go and try to play football with the Eagles, because, if we could, it would severely ruin everything that they have worked for. So why is it allowed in the sport of hunting?

["String Music"]

I agree totally! It is the most Selfish form of hunting there is! Basically these guys are saying..."hey I dont care if you spent countless hours scouting and time in the woods...I am gonna trudge thru the woods with no respect for anybody that may be in those woods and ruin their hunt!"...There is one reason that the state will NEVER ban this type of assanine hunting...and that my friend is the power of the dollar bill! deer week brings in too much money that week and that is what it boils down to! plain and simple! Now you will get the people who will say..."it is legal and a form of hunting and we cant be against ourselves because we hafta unite!" hogwash.... thats not hunting...I love the comradery that the clubs have.... but I know of way too many people that are opting out of these club drives because the type of hunting isnt appealing anymore! :thdown:

[Jerseybuck]

Who is anyone to pass judgement on someone else and what they do. If what they are doing is legal, suck it up and play by the rules and use them to your advantage. Depending on where and how you hunt, you've had over 2 months of the deer herd to yourself and couldn't kill the deer you wanted to, now it's time to share. So who's Selfish?

Shotgun deer week is about knocking down the herd, not selective harvesting. If you want that, stay off state ground.

[Birdman2787]

As a matter of fact #1, it is private property that I hunt. It is the same private land that I've hunt for a few years now. The land owner tells me that I am the only one that he gave permission to hunt the land. These clubs that drive the private propery completely disregarded the posted signs that are all around the area, as they usually do.
Fact #2, each season I've taken a couple of does to stock up the freezer, and last year got a nice six pointer. So now you are saying that since I have been unsuccessful in taking the monsters that are out there I should resign all of my efforts to the illegal groups of hunters that trespass on private property? :nuts:Really???

[duckwork]

You're not allowed to "drive" ducks (mostly sea ducks) towards hunters with your boat or boats. With deer it should be the same thing.

[freedom]

jerseybuck says it prety clear, you didn't mention private property at first, thats a different problem for sure and diff needs tobe adderssed

maybe suggestions could help with this wide spread problem. any ideals?

i have one but will hold off till i hear others,but here is one that were disscused & didn't go far. 1 limmit number of drivers per group

ps deer don't have wings and you can't shoot deer from a boat;)

[Jerseybuck]

Really??? NO, but you left out you were on private property. Tell the whole story!.

With all the info it's a different story. Your on private property. You need to get a camera and press charges on those trespassers. Then they'll get the message and you'll have Your Private Property to yourself to do with as you wish.

[Ole 20 Point]

I'm not at all a fan of drives in fact I highly despise them too. :(

BUT...

We all have had our chances for months and will again in the late season. The drive hunters are just getting their turn now. If that's how they enjoy hunting, so be it...it sucks when they blow out a piece of woods, but it's still legal. If ya'll don't like it then maybe it's best to stay outta the woods for a while til they're done and things settle down again. They have just as much right to be out there and hunt the way they choose.

The one thing that really ain't right though is when I hear that some driver group or clubs blatently cross into posted private grounds without permission. :naughty:

And guess what...

Many of those drive hunters think it sucks that the bow hunters have multiple months to get their deer and get first crack at the bruiser bucks...hmm. :please:

Can't we all just get along? :huh:

[freedom]

i think clubs should regester with f&g clubs name and lands thier going to hunt, also i belive club names on trucks being used & each personal should have to wear a patch with clubs name to identifty the different groups

also this would only apply if your club is larger then 10 or more menbers

and the only reason for this would be the few that " blatently cross into posted private grounds without permission. :naughty: "as ol20pt says.

do you think this is a good start? in curbbing the trespass problem

["String Music"]

I'm not at all a fan of drives in fact I highly despise them too. :(

BUT...

We all have had our chances for months and will again in the late season. The drive hunters are just getting their turn now. If that's how they enjoy hunting, so be it...it sucks when they blow out a piece of woods, but it's still legal. If ya'll don't like it then maybe it's best to stay outta the woods for a while til they're done and things settle down again. They have just as much right to be out there and hunt the way they choose.

The one thing that really ain't right though is when I hear that some driver group or clubs blatently cross into posted private grounds without permission. :naughty:

And guess what...

Many of those drive hunters think it sucks that the bow hunters have multiple months to get their deer and get first crack at the bruiser bucks...hmm. :please:

Can't we all just get along? :huh:

You are right...everybody has the opportunity to get out in the woods and bowhunt early season...and some people elect to wait to deer week.... The guys that get in the woods and pot hunt early bow or whatever dont screw up the hunts for everybody else...thats the problem.... If i pot hunt by myself all year I am not screwing up an entire piece of woods for everybody! These guys (75 guys) trudging thru the woods totally make the deer herd go nocturnal! The state woods are screwed up even into winter bow after this week! You can say what you want! I am not attacking any of these people personally.... But THAT TYPE of hunting should not be allowed Period! Everything that the state makes legal doesnt mean its right! This state cares about the dollar bill and thats all! I respect other hunters privacy and wouldnt ever attempt to hurt anybody elses hunt....That mentality should be recipricated!

[freedom]

how about useing dogs for deer hunting? like down south;) maybe there shouldn't be a season after six day firearm?

[bigdog777]

driving deer has been a NJ tradition long before bow hunting or black powder.deer drives were a way to put meat on the table before all the modern hunting equipment. how successful would pot hunters be today without bait,deer scents,portable tree stands, deer calls,and firearms capable of shooting over 35 yards. deer drives involve as much scouting as stand hunting.
everybody has the right to hunt the state land. my club has been hunting the the same land since 1965. how long have you been hunting your stand? who has more right to be there?
I think be you guys start throwing stones you need to look at the whole picture.

[Team Callin an Crawlin]

I hate to say it but i agree in ways but hey i cant say nada cuz i still go gun hunting to after bow season is over but i wouldnt care if they closed all gun huning that would save alot of deer but itll never happen

[Ole 20 Point]

Gotta agree Crawlin...I wouldn't care if the gun seasons were closed either. :huh:

I only went out one day in PA and may go this last Saturday. Too much hassle and testosterone flying around these days. :argue:

It just ain't like it used to be when we spent the whole week in "deer camp" and had a good ol time. :(

Now many of us spend more time in the quiet and less stressful bow seasons. :cheers:

[Get Some]

i think clubs should regester with f&g clubs name and lands thier going to hunt, also i belive club names on trucks being used & each personal should have to wear a patch with clubs name to identifty the different groups

also this would only apply if your club is larger then 10 or more menbers

and the only reason for this would be the few that " blatently cross into posted private grounds without permission. :naughty: "as ol20pt says.

do you think this is a good start? in curbbing the trespass problem
Tony,that is a great idea and I'm sure would help to keep some of the violators in line.
I don't have a problem with clubs,but I do think the number of drivers should be regulated.Also,alot of these clubs have no idea how to drive a piece of woods,they just scatter the deer(others do it well).

[cuppy]

dont you guys remember what it was like to actually hunt, if you think buying corn and potatoes and sitting over them is really hunting , then you should not have a problem with drives, both are two very different techniques for harvesting game, neither of which if very sporty. put a piece of pizza in my mailbox at 1130 every day, youre damn right im going to go to mailbox at 1200 and eat it. if driving shjould be illegal then so should baiting.

[freedom]

Tony,that is a great idea and I'm sure would help to keep some of the violators in line.
I don't have a problem with clubs,but I do think the number of drivers should be regulated.Also,alot of these clubs have no idea how to drive a piece of woods,they just scatter the deer(others do it well).

thank you i was begining to think differently i hear a lot of the samething at meetings people only winein and not looking for a fix to the problems, i will bring it up at the next meeting,hope i'm off for that haven't made to many this year do to work schudle,

[bender]

I'd like to see some of the WMA's in the state without severe management issues go to bowhunting only properties. about half of the revenue generated from license and permit sales statewide is from bowhunters. I believe it would be a fair allocation of funds, hunters would be able to choose there method of harvest, with less conflict of interest. just my 2 cents

[bender]

dont you guys remember what it was like to actually hunt, if you think buying corn and potatoes and sitting over them is really hunting , then you should not have a problem with drives, both are two very different techniques for harvesting game, neither of which if very sporty. put a piece of pizza in my mailbox at 1130 every day, youre damn right im going to go to mailbox at 1200 and eat it. if driving shjould be illegal then so should baiting.


i completely agree with that statement. :thup:

[bambam]

toatly agree

[Team Callin an Crawlin]

I agree there should be no baiting it should be outlawed and i hate it its cheating to me but thats just my two sense.

[Joe]

driving deer has been a NJ tradition long before bow hunting or black powder.deer drives were a way to put meat on the table before all the modern hunting equipment. .


Oh So I guess the Indians used shotguns:confused: Just sounds like you typed it backwards to me.

[Dirtypenny725]

Listen, if you have a problem with clubs driving deer and you hunt state land..stay out of the woods that week. I haven't hunted during 6 day firearm in almost 10 years. I shot a nice 7 pointer one morning as a club was setting up to drive the piece I was in. I could hear them so I decided to wait until they were done to leave my stand..didn't wanna get shot and I didn't have a visual on the deer, but I knew I made a good shot. Well after they drove by my stand I heard the one guy hollerin that they found a buck. After a few minutes I decided to try to find my buck, well I found the blood trail, found where it died, and saw where they drug it off. Unfortunately there wasn't much I could do as by the time I caught up to them, the truck with the deer was gone and of course nobody had seen anything. That was the LAST time I hunted 6 day and unless I'm on private property, it'll stay that way. I don't have anything against clubs, but I don't like that type of hunting and don't want to be around it. Just my $.02

["String Music"]

driving deer has been a NJ tradition long before bow hunting or black powder.deer drives were a way to put meat on the table before all the modern hunting equipment. how successful would pot hunters be today without bait,deer scents,portable tree stands, deer calls,and firearms capable of shooting over 35 yards. deer drives involve as much scouting as stand hunting.
everybody has the right to hunt the state land. my club has been hunting the the same land since 1965. how long have you been hunting your stand? who has more right to be there?
I think be you guys start throwing stones you need to look at the whole picture.


What the Hell are you talking about! I didnt say that it should be illegal because of the type of hunting! And how the hell do you say that there is as much scouting as pot hunting.... You get a couple of guys that cut lines two weeks before the start of deer week and you stage up and walk.... 90% of the guys that show up deer week haven't scouted a lick! You must be totally insane to believe that! I dont have a gun that shoots over 35 yards....I bowhunt! I scout and spend most of the summer in the woods getting ticks and chiggers! My main point is this!: I dont agree with a type of hunting such as deer drives because it is a "SELFISH" type of hunting there ever was.... When you get 75 guys and trudge thru the woods yelling and shooting anything with horns you screw that piece of woods up for a long time! You dont give a rats a$$ about a guy that may be sitting in that piece of woods who spent months scouting (Or sitting over bait).... When I bowhunt I walk in scent tfree and quiet to my stand....I dont blow the whole woods up for everybody else.... Thats my point! I dont screw up the whole woods for other hunters and dont think its good etiquette to do it to someone else! But I know the personality behind most of the deer club hunters and they will say "I dont give a #$&@ about anybody else...cause I know guys and have talked to ones in clubs!

[freedom]

i guess there isn't much differents then the highways, lic auto drivers act the same:rolleyes: people

one differents tho is the hunting clubs many not all, go to sportmens fedartion meetings. each county in nj has a meeting once a mo. these voices get heard by F&G council as a collective voice.many of the meeting are held at club houses,vfw, ect a club will send 1,2 or 3 officals to meeting, which may rep 20 ,30 or 60 menbers

i also know the UBH have meetings too but the numbers speak for them selfs,as to what council & scince desides

i like the ideal of tracks for bow hunting only, seems worth a try to me, would that be deer only? thats a question i think would come up and have weigth to it.

also rember the new 150 feet and sunday bow hunters used this year had been over two years in the makeings ;)

ps a lot of the driveing clubs fully supported the new bow regs how do you guys like them new regs?

[DV1]

i guess there isn't much differents then the highways, lic auto drivers act the same:rolleyes: people

one differents tho is the hunting clubs many not all, go to sportmens fedartion meetings. each county in nj has a meeting once a mo. these voices get heard by F&G council as a collective voice.many of the meeting are held at club houses,vfw, ect a club will send 1,2 or 3 officals to meeting, which may rep 20 ,30 or 60 menbers

i also know the UBH have meetings too but the numbers speak for them selfs,as to what council & scince desides

i like the ideal of tracks for bow hunting only, seems worth a try to me, would that be deer only? thats a question i think would come up and have weigth to it.

also rember the new 150 feet and sunday bow hunters used this year had been over two years in the makeings ;)

ps a lot of the driveing clubs fully supported the new bow regs how do you guys like them new regs?

Just an FYI...the members of the Fish and Game Council really do not like bow hunting or bow hunters at all. I've heard and read the comments by them that prove that point.

A perfect example of what I'm talking about can be seen by going back a few years to when the F&G Council decided to charge more money for the buck tags you previously got for free. When it was proposed that gun hunters have to buy their second tag for buck week (like bow hunters have to buy a second buck tag for permit bow), someone from the Federation stood up and protested, saying there was a tradition of two buck tags, they shouldn't have to pay for a second tag, etc. So, after a few minutes, the F&G Council just said, Okay, we will preserve your tradition, you don't have to pay for a second tag.

Fast forward to this year, actually, for the last two years, UBNJ had been lobbying to preserve some part of bow season for bow hunters. Members of the Fish and Game Council not only told them no, but were ignorant about it. They didn't give a rats ass about the tradition of bow season.

The President of UBNJ was belittled, and basically heckled by some members of the Council at the meeting where he presented UBNJ concerns and alternatives to a complete loss of bow season. The UBNJ Legislative Chairman, who also was the chair of the crossbow committe, was not even allowed to attend the meeting. The Chairwoman of the F&G Council made it known she did not want him there, and then, when he didn't show up, as she had requeted, she showed even less class by trashing him at the meeting, while he wasn't even there to defend himself, at her request.

I have also attended the county Federation meetings. I have been called selfish and greedy simply for pointing out the differences between shooting a crossbow and a bow and arrow, asking for some segment of bow season be preserved, asking that it be phased in slowly to gauge the impact, and that they track the number of people who use them, and how many deer are killed with them so we will know if there is any impact or not. They fought this tooth and nail. They still did not implement any way to know how may hunters are actually using them, but at least we got a check-off box on the form that asks if the deer was killed with a crossbow.

The fact is, bow hunters in NJ have zero voice on the Fish and Game Council. They do not care for bow hunting or bow hunters at all, and that was part of the reason we got full inclusion of crossbows...money, being the biggest reason we got them. I'm not just venting folks, these are facts.

Oh, and the changes to the bowhunting regs you listed had nothing to do with the Fish and Game Council. Those changes were legislative, and the man who worked about as hard as anyone to get that done, is the same man the Chariwoman of the Fish and Game Council was trashing at the meeting, after she made it known she didn't want him there.

[freedom]

The fact is, bow hunters in NJ have zero voice on the Fish and Game Council. They do not care for bow hunting or bow hunters at all, and that was part of the reason we got full inclusion of crossbows...money, being the biggest reason we got them. I'm not just venting folks, these are facts.

you are rigth, and the copany was easton arrow co,donattion

as far as one man/person pushing 15o ft & sunday believe me there were many more,supporters,someone has to get the ball rollin maybe thats why you say this,

how many menbers in ubnj ? njoa? fed? jcaa?

and trueful f&G council has been a stick in the mud with both sides, remenber trying to get pistils leagle for deer hunting, funny how from a single shot from a stand poisison turned into three rounds wich killed it rigth there.

[dukcrazy]

Gave up deer hunting in new jersey many years ago, got tired of being a cop all week long chasing trespassers around. Keep the local co's phone # in your cellphone and press charges, the word will get out. In regards to organized drives it's just another way to harvest deer, and every year some record deer come from those drives. That monster buck has already turned nocturnal and if you didn't get a crack at him during rut your chances are slim to none anyway. When you divide hunters up by the methods that they choose to use you are only helping the people who are trying to take away your right to hunt.

[River Rat]

Did you call Fish and Game?Did they drive your particular woods or were they in the next piece?:huh:

As a matter of fact #1, it is private property that I hunt. It is the same private land that I've hunt for a few years now. The land owner tells me that I am the only one that he gave permission to hunt the land. These clubs that drive the private propery completely disregarded the posted signs that are all around the area, as they usually do.
Fact #2, each season I've taken a couple of does to stock up the freezer, and last year got a nice six pointer. So now you are saying that since I have been unsuccessful in taking the monsters that are out there I should resign all of my efforts to the illegal groups of hunters that trespass on private property? :nuts:Really???

[mccool]

it bothers me to but you have only a few options dont hunt this time of year or find private land some people would say you were not much of a hunter if you have to bait deer either,remember they have just as much of a right to hunt the public land any legal way they want as you do:huh:

[Birdman2787]

Listen, if you have a problem with clubs driving deer and you hunt state land..stay out of the woods that week. I haven't hunted during 6 day firearm in almost 10 years. I shot a nice 7 pointer one morning as a club was setting up to drive the piece I was in. I could hear them so I decided to wait until they were done to leave my stand..didn't wanna get shot and I didn't have a visual on the deer, but I knew I made a good shot. Well after they drove by my stand I heard the one guy hollerin that they found a buck. After a few minutes I decided to try to find my buck, well I found the blood trail, found where it died, and saw where they drug it off. Unfortunately there wasn't much I could do as by the time I caught up to them, the truck with the deer was gone and of course nobody had seen anything. That was the LAST time I hunted 6 day and unless I'm on private property, it'll stay that way. I don't have anything against clubs, but I don't like that type of hunting and don't want to be around it. Just my $.02 Man your story makes me almost as mad as my own. I think it is a dam shame that these unlawful actions against you have forced you to resign from hunting during shotgun week. Not only did they get your deer, but they drove you out of the woods for good as well? This is very unfortunate for you yet very fortunate for the clubs. In their eyes, you are just one more guy they don't have to worry about shooting a deer that they pushed to you. I think you should get back in your stand and shoot another...that is the best way to show these outlaw imbecils that they aren't going to get away with this type of action again.

[timbouy]

How many days do you really need in the woods alone with a bow.Isn't the season long enough or do you guys feel you want it all to yourself.Can't we all just get along.

[onthehunt]

I bow hunt and drive deer. I can sit in a stand for months but only drive deer 6 days. It is legal and we abide by the law. It sounds like trespassing is your main issue not drives!

["String Music"]

Nobody is saying the obvious...If you drive deer during deer week let me ask u a question!....Is this type of hunting selfish? Do you really think that trudging thru the woods yo bucking over all the area isnt selfish? It doesnt matter how long bowhunters get in the woods or not...If you are upset about that than start bowhunting! My point is and this is the last time I will make it: people that bowhunt or people that are pot hunting during shotgun week are respectful of others in the woods....they take precautions such as scent control, quiet entry/ exit from the stand as to not screw the whole woods up....Deer clubs dont give a rats ass about any other hunters who may be sitting in a tree or ground blind pot hunting.... You can say all the bullcrap that its been a tradition forever... just because its a tradition doesnt mean it is right... I dont care if you have been hunting this particular part of the woods for 200 years...Its still wrong....If a guy is hunting over a bait pile (Which is legal) and you guys march thru the woods you screw it up for him that whole day.... When your actions deter another from his/her hunt than you are a selfish jerk!!!!!!!!!!! Of Course you wont admit thiss...you will just say "It is legal" "It is a tradition" "If you dont like it stay out of the woods that week" I say get off your lazy a$$es and get in the woods and hang a stand and hunt a run or bait!!!!! It is illegal to harass a hunter when hunting right? How about 75 guys yelling with their beer breath as they walk across your bait pile? Same difference! Hunt all u want...But dont screw up someone elses cause you want to "YO BUCK IT" all week!:thdown:

[Birdman2787]

String Music, you are trying to have a battle of intelligence and logical thinking with an unarmed group....frustrating, isn't it.

[bigdog777]

nj only had a six firearm season years ago.
you only had one week to kill a deer legally.
there wasn't a bow season or black powder season.
modern as in inline muzzleloaders,compound bows, crossbows etc. last 25 years,not 300.

[biro41nj@yahoo.com]

i completely agree with that statement. :thup:
AMEN to that

[biro41nj@yahoo.com]

Oh So I guess the Indians used shotguns:confused: Just sounds like you typed it backwards to me.

It gets old hearing people say they need to put meat on the table. You can buy a whole cow for the amount of money most spend on hunting.

[freedom]

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good try, but they come thu and move on to the next block, look sure it pushes deer out of the pice your hunting, but you well know when they do the next block it may push deer back to your block,many times one club will do a block and not make a kill, and the next club same day same block kill three,either the deer held tigth or just moved into that block.;) isn't that ture?

[R & R]

Nobody is saying the obvious...If you drive deer during deer week let me ask u a question!....Is this type of hunting selfish? Do you really think that trudging thru the woods yo bucking over all the area isnt selfish? It doesnt matter how long bowhunters get in the woods or not...If you are upset about that than start bowhunting! My point is and this is the last time I will make it: people that bowhunt or people that are pot hunting during shotgun week are respectful of others in the woods....they take precautions such as scent control, quiet entry/ exit from the stand as to not screw the whole woods up....Deer clubs dont give a rats ass about any other hunters who may be sitting in a tree or ground blind pot hunting.... You can say all the bullcrap that its been a tradition forever... just because its a tradition doesnt mean it is right... I dont care if you have been hunting this particular part of the woods for 200 years...Its still wrong....If a guy is hunting over a bait pile (Which is legal) and you guys march thru the woods you screw it up for him that whole day.... When your actions deter another from his/her hunt than you are a selfish jerk!!!!!!!!!!! Of Course you wont admit thiss...you will just say "It is legal" "It is a tradition" "If you dont like it stay out of the woods that week" I say get off your lazy a$$es and get in the woods and hang a stand and hunt a run or bait!!!!! It is illegal to harass a hunter when hunting right? How about 75 guys yelling with their beer breath as they walk across your bait pile? Same difference! Hunt all u want...But dont screw up someone elses cause you want to "YO BUCK IT" all week!:thdown: As hard as is it for me to say..... Your right on the money.

[freedom]

one thing to add it may not be popluar way of hunting, you sure don't see it on sunday morin hunting TV, but its over till next season,

and as mention seems most of the problems are trespassing

[Birdman2787]

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–verb (used with object) 1.to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute.2.to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid

good try, but they come thu and move on to the next block, look sure it pushes deer out of the pice your hunting, but you well know when they do the next block it may push deer back to your block,many times one club will do a block and not make a kill, and the next club same day same block kill three,either the deer held tigth or just moved into that block.;) isn't that ture?
Yes, this is true. But answer me this; Isn't true that when clubs push through an area the likelyhood of the deer become strickly nocturnal is in fact very probable? If the deer turn nocturnal due to this massive disruption in the woods, the likelyhood of a pot hunter taking a deer is dramatically decreased? And isn't true that the movement of the deer to a normal rhythmical pattern is not likely to return for a month sometimes longer (depending on how many times a piece of land has been pushed)?
Furthermore, as String Music so eloquentlly stated, aren't you guys missing the entire point here? I'll answer this one....YES, you are.
Let us not talk falsely now...I think most of you guys understand, even remotely, where I, we, are coming from. At least I hope so.

[Birdman2787]

Yes, this is true. But answer me this; Isn't true that when clubs push through an area the likelyhood of the deer become strickly nocturnal is in fact very probable? If the deer turn nocturnal due to this massive disruption in the woods, the likelyhood of a pot hunter taking a deer is dramatically decreased? And isn't true that the movement of the deer to a normal rhythmical pattern is not likely to return for a month sometimes longer (depending on how many times a piece of land has been pushed)?
Furthermore, as String Music so eloquentlly stated, aren't you guys missing the entire point here? I'll answer this one....YES, you are.
Let us not talk falsely now...I think most of you guys understand, even remotely, where I, we, are coming from. At least I hope so.
By the way Freedom, if you are feeling harassed by this discussion, might I suggest that you bow out now.

[droptine]

Driving deer and shooting every thing that moves, thats hunting, i was sitting in my stand and two guys with sticks banging trees and yelling yo buck, right by me. They seen me and didnt give a sh-t pushed the whole woods to their so called shooters, same thing happened last year in pa. wake up people their will be no hunting for our children, also the big hunters killed two buttons, and three pregnent does.:bow:

[R & R]

one thing to add it may not be popluar way of hunting, you sure don't see it on sunday morin hunting TV, but its over till next season,

and as mention seems most of the problems are trespassing What fairyland are you hunting? Still have Ml drives every saturday & doe day drives til the end of Jan. :mad:
Tomorrow I will make the rounds & see what I have left from the 6 day folks. Can't blame that on anything but the pumkin army.

[buckiller2009]

:fight:So it starts every August, baiting, scouting, sitting in my stand without a weapon just to see how the deer are moving, where their beds are and their trails to and from their beds and feeding areas. Have spent countless hours doing my "homework", hundreds of dollars on bailt, and equipment, and many days in the stand passing up smaller bucks hoping the next will be the monster that I captured on my trail cam. I have their patterns down pretty well, I know about the time that they move, and where they are going, yet the big ones still escape me. But this doesn't stop me from trying. THEN, along comes the six day firearms week. I am in my stand at 0530, then at about 0730 everything changes. A sea of orange comes floundering through the woods, hooting and hollaring "YO BUCK." :thdown: Well there goes all the deer in the area, and all my time, money and energy that I have put into this area that I am hunting. Everyone knows that once a bunch of people go pushing through a piece of woods the deer become super spooked and takes anywhere from a a couple of weeks or more for the deer to start moving in somewhat of a pattern again. All because several guys want to hunt for one week out of the entire year. So there I am sitting in my stand as this group fummbles through the woods shooting at everything that has a resemblence of antlers, spike's and all, that happens to jump out of a laurel bushes. I know not everyone is a one week a year hunter as my title implies, but I know for a fact that quite a good number do in fact get their license only to hunt in this fashion during shotgun week and thats it. Is this fair to the people who have done so much pre-planning?:naughty: These guys just ruined practically the rest of the season for not just me but for so many others as well in a matter of 30 minutes. Then they move on to another property where it might happen to another dedicated hunter. In my opinion, this is not sportsmans like, and I do not consider this hunting. I am sure people know what they are doing, when they go "driving" through the woods, and I think they should act in more of a moral, and sportsmans like manner. I think this type of game pursit should be illegal. None of us would be allowed to just randomly go and try to play football with the Eagles, because, if we could, it would severely ruin everything that they have worked for. So why is it allowed in the sport of hunting?
I used to hunt in a club that my grandfather was one of the founders of way back. My dad is now the president of the club. I got hurt my back and can no longer drive deer all day. I spend lots of time scouting before the season cause I'm retired and have the time to do it. It seemed to me that most of the hunters from the old club were all friends for many years.

They also seemed to share 1 other reason for hunting together and driving deer-- most only had off work for that 1 week to enjoy themselves and maybe get a few deer.

I'm not against e1 else's reasons for hating the pumpkin army trouncing through the woods but you guys who say you put your time in early, have your chances at picking your desired buck you'd like to get, and you get your area all screwed up for the day remember a few things:
1) Be glad you have all those days to hunt with the bow and arrow seasons
2) Be glad you can get the time off work to hunt most of those days
3) Be glad they don't change your bow seasons to two 6 day bow seasons
4) Be very very happy you can hunt at all -- cause some are not as fortunate
5) One last thing : Enjoy the outdoors and fill the freezer up with lots of meat

:thup::thup::thup::thup:

[bender]

Gave up deer hunting in new jersey many years ago, got tired of being a cop all week long chasing trespassers around. Keep the local co's phone # in your cellphone and press charges, the word will get out. In regards to organized drives it's just another way to harvest deer, and every year some record deer come from those drives. That monster buck has already turned nocturnal and if you didn't get a crack at him during rut your chances are slim to none anyway. When you divide hunters up by the methods that they choose to use you are only helping the people who are trying to take away your right to hunt.


well said duk.

[freedom]

i posted the diff of harass cause the text in post #34 "It is illegal to harass a hunter when hunting right?" for a minute i believed it was a good point of a law on the books, till i read the diffanition of harass not tryin tobe a wise guy,

how about small game hunter dose that spook deer too? sure it dose and the older deer start to move more in the cover of darkness & with the help of the peak rut druing bow you'll see em start to move more,agian...

buckiller 09 thank you for the words of wisdom.

1) Be glad you have all those days to hunt with the bow and arrow seasons
2) Be glad you can get the time off work to hunt most of those days
3) Be glad they don't change your bow seasons to two 6 day bow seasons
4) Be very very happy you can hunt at all -- cause some are not as fortunate
5) One last thing : Enjoy the outdoors

i guess i was worng thinking that the biggest part of the clubs is over yes there is ML & late bow, however the large part is over for the thirty plus drivers

well thank you all for the insigth, i realy see as said before the real problem is trespassing, when u step back and look at it as sharing a natrual newable resource. (all groups)

just to let ya know we have problems with trespassing on the 175ac lease next to the white oak wma area clubs & a few other worms in my apple won't sway me from thinking most sportmens are better, to think i'm stuck at work till 16th and haven't hunted the land yet, over 1000# of corn 3 bins of taters, building stands and all the other work,and high hopes of getting a shot at some of the impresive sheds we found, from some realy big bucks.oh and hearing from one of the other guy that on the lease that he caugth two guys one saying he shot a 14pter ML in the belly cause it was the only shot he had at him don't make me happy either

[Ole 20 Point]

... one saying he shot a 14pter ML in the belly cause it was the only shot he had at him don't make me happy either
Yeah that kinda crap sends me into a boil too...have some RESPECT for the whitetail. Bad shots happen accidently and it sucks. Purposeful bad shots taken is irresponsible!

[timbouy]

Nobody is saying the obvious...If you drive deer during deer week let me ask u a question!....Is this type of hunting selfish? Do you really think that trudging thru the woods yo bucking over all the area isnt selfish? It doesnt matter how long bowhunters get in the woods or not...If you are upset about that than start bowhunting! My point is and this is the last time I will make it: people that bowhunt or people that are pot hunting during shotgun week are respectful of others in the woods....they take precautions such as scent control, quiet entry/ exit from the stand as to not screw the whole woods up....Deer clubs dont give a rats ass about any other hunters who may be sitting in a tree or ground blind pot hunting.... You can say all the bullcrap that its been a tradition forever... just because its a tradition doesnt mean it is right... I dont care if you have been hunting this particular part of the woods for 200 years...Its still wrong....If a guy is hunting over a bait pile (Which is legal) and you guys march thru the woods you screw it up for him that whole day.... When your actions deter another from his/her hunt than you are a selfish jerk!!!!!!!!!!! Of Course you wont admit thiss...you will just say "It is legal" "It is a tradition" "If you dont like it stay out of the woods that week" I say get off your lazy a$$es and get in the woods and hang a stand and hunt a run or bait!!!!! It is illegal to harass a hunter when hunting right? How about 75 guys yelling with their beer breath as they walk across your bait pile? Same difference! Hunt all u want...But dont screw up someone elses cause you want to "YO BUCK IT" all week!:thdown:
I don't think it is any more selfish than a guy dumping bait or hanging a stand and thinking it's his area and nobody is aloud to hunt it except him.Did it ever dawn on you that all of your scouting,trail cam pics,shooting lanes,and hanging stands lead to an area that someone has already been hunting for 30 years.I've been hunting{bow,gun,muzzleloader} these areas only to have another guy set up right next to me.Then the next thing you know my stand is stolen.Oh well that hunting in NJ.I don't hunt with a big club during buck week but have no problems with them.I do have a problem with tresspassers.We had 11 guys trying to drive our private property which is heavily posted.They are just outlaws not a club period.We pressed charges so we see what happens.Buck week is over so go hang a stand dump some bait and kill a deer.It's that easy.Don't get so bent because someone else wants to kill your "deer".

[Inatreeandhappy]

The shotgun guys should bitch that the muzzle loader guys get to hunt before them. For a lot of old timers shot gun is the only week they hunt so I say let them be. Im not for the trespassing but the deer drives that all part of the game. Next year in your scouting find the escape paths and hiding spots and sit there when the drive starts you will get multiple shots.

[freedom]

Yeah that kinda crap sends me into a boil too...have some RESPECT for the whitetail. Bad shots happen accidently and it sucks. Purposeful bad shots taken is irresponsible!

they were caugth in there shotgun buck week and was bragging aboutthe big buck said they were hopeing to see buzards so they could get the rack, then! rich tells em thier trespassing & they say back oh thats what those signs were for!!! and swor they were on white oaks wma,an other guy is clear cuuting an other pice of the land about an ac says he's building his home ther& owns the land all names and # taken wiat till they find out how worng they were $

the gate going back up in march and sooner or later we;ll get a handle on the problems

[vonhess]

Alright guys i figured out what to do, If your not going to hunt six day,go out sunday and walk your piece screeming yo-buck allday. Clear out all the deer, when the drives come through they'll be wasting there time.;) Then after the weeks over resume normal activity. JUST KIDDING OFCOURSE.:razz: On state land ya have more problems with pheasant hunting.Early bow is great, deer not pressured, then first day of small game it sounds like a war zone.But what can you do.Just have to tag out before.

[Bird Boy]

i think of it as a challenge every year when i wake up on opening day and walk outside and hear "whoooo". the deer drivers (also drive me crazy buttt anyway...) they push through the woods hollering and yelling and raising hell. ok, so yes it will make the rest of the year alot harder.

so if this is how your buck week goes if your a pot hunter like maself, then get back out for muzzy and winterbow for the rest of the year and consider it a challenge. challenge yourself to FIND those bucks. to FIND there beds. and get the trail cams out and FIND what time there running through and where there running through. and if you still cant find them or harvest a buck that year then get back out there the next year and do the same thing in early bow, permit bow, muzzleloader, shotgun, and winterbow. thats why they call it HUNTING not KILLING.

we all know that the state aint gonna change anything because its all about the money. so is there really anypoint in arguing about it. i have yet to harvest a deer this year and will continue to try till the rules say i cant hunt no more this year.

remember, i am a stand hunter. do my homework in the offseason and work hard to find the bucks. i do hate deer drives but, what are ya gonna do about it. i may be young, but i do know ya cant beat the man. :thup: