New spot location pictures

[mudmarlin70]

Got to get out for a while this morning and checked out a 200 acre piece I have permission on. It's really nice. Lots of it is fenced in inside deer fencing and they've been gettin killed by raccoons all year. Only got to walk about half of the fencing and found eight different crawl unders and about the same for cross overs on the creek. Lots of sign and corn husks dragged into the woods. There's about a 1acre pond on the place, but I didnt see any obvious sign of rats. There's got to be some mink though, and I smelled one spot that was definitely musked up. That was kinda weird. Plenty of canines there too.

Creek with high banking and it has beaches below the banking in spots. I'm thinking bottom sets in the deepest channels or off the beaches below the high banks..wish I knew more on the water sets.
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af265/mudmarlin70/banks-1.jpg

cross overs with plenty of sign:D
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af265/mudmarlin70/cross.jpg

crawl unders ittered with corn husks!
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af265/mudmarlin70/crawlunder.jpg

And one spot where they're taking the corn under a thick canopy and just goin to town on it.
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af265/mudmarlin70/feedpoint.jpg

Hope I can figure out the catchin!

[ub1243]

put on you hip boots and walk the sod banks. your foot should fit right up in the rat hole. sometimes you have the shine, all polished up gravel, no silt. or check any log, there should be scat on the rest areas.
when i set i put my foot in the hole. then since my 110's are mounted on a sapling, i put the sappling next to my foot and push in.
i'm still learning the bottom edge. i can't keep the leaves out of them.
i like the cross overs.
never had too many fences for the unders thought.

looks like you have the locations found. :thup:

[mudmarlin70]

Hey Joe, I did notice some holes near the pond abuot ten feet off the water on high ground. werent hog holes..too small and clean. will bank dens sometimes have a ground exit up on dry grass banks or no???

[redneck]

there is a bottom edge set in the first pic set it you will nail at least a rat and my guess a mink or 2.
2nd pic you got rats there on the crossover set the side of the log in the water at the shine.
Man those 2 spots is what I cut my teeth on I can't snare a mink but I cound bottom edge a few rats and mink there LOL

[mudmarlin70]

Redneck,
the bottom edge set would be in the deep water beneath the root mass on the far bank stright down below the vertical bank? that's the deepest water there and it's right against the vertical wall...If I recall right, I think that's what you mentioned in the spring.

I dont think there's a shine in the second pic. I think that was an underwater log. The pic makes it look that way though.

This water set stuff is gonna be toughest for me I'm sure. You would LOVE this spot redneck. That stream was full of places that looked terrific for mink and the coons.

[redneck]

deepest bottom edge set I can recall was 3 to 4 feet. On a good sunny day put some polarized glasses on and look down in there you will see it. take your stick and go down to the bottom push in the mud then bring back up put your coni on it. or if current is not moving use a snare. if two deep look for a shelf also you will most likly see a trail right at the water edge. Sets like that I have caught 5 or 6 rats and a mink or some time 2 a great spring rat set. that is a time set leave it out.

Pic 2 the shine or slide will be at the end of the log on bank sometime there is one on each side of the log. look in the grass set a snare there look down in there and you will most likly see a shine running up the bank. think how is the rat getting on the log. I am assuming the droppings are rat on the log and not frog.

[mudmarlin70]

I am assuming the droppings are rat on the log and not frog.

I was gonna drop a quarter on that log for the size perspective...That's a big log! Coon droppings. Dropping pile is almost the size of my fist.

SO the bottom set is closer to the beaches on the end of the pools. That stream has stretches where it's only three or four inches deep and stone rifts. those pools are two and three foot deep maybe even four feet. I guess I should be making the bottom sets where it's starting to shallow up, but where I can still completely submerge the 110 up real tight against the vertical banks? I can see through the pools fine. That water is gin clear. Not sure if that's why I just dont have many rats around here or what.
And thanks for the response redneck! I appreciate it.

[redneck]

wow I miss read those droppings LOL There I go assuming LOL

well look under the log for a shine then LOL

the bottom edge set was made popular by ken smythe it uses points under water to set off of. these spots are killers and once learned and understood they produce. In 1993 I talked to Ken about this set in depth and Bob Noonan who wrote the book for him at that time. Bob was the editor for the wct mag and I was writing and samitting articles back then. Bob and I really talked about this set. it is a real nice set method once you understand it. Bob now has a dvd out on it. easier for me than setting a snare on the ground for mink:huh: really catches those buck rats also

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[mudmarlin70]

Had the mrs order the book redneck, thanks.

[ACEarcher]

I like the fence crossings. I had a few up in Susquehanna County that do very well for K-9's, and cats (if you have the permit it's better). They where exclusion pens. It gives you a nice funnel. I had a mink that triggered my trap prob around 3-4 times. It was a property in SW Pa. His run went right under an old WW2 duce and half. The landowner was a very old kind gentleman that used to drill water wells. He used the truck to move gear. After he stopped the truck sat in the bottom of a creek bottom I can only guess for years. Don't know how I kept missing that mink, but I never did get him.

You got a great place there MM. Best of luck with it.