Would you give fish and game your spot?

[huntingfool]

Last week I got a call from nj fish and game following up on the pig kill..They asked me to show then my spot next week..They want to kill 1 or 2 for research..i'm not sure if I should..

[njbowhunter]

They know where they are at no need for you to show your spot.

[huntingfool]

I've been on a boar hunting site..On that site they say that pigs are not like deer ..If you push them they just move and don't come back..

[ub1243]

they ask the same for coyote kills.
when i snared a few they asked nearest crossroad, public or private, and who was the property owner.

but with the pigs they may pass the info on to the state trapper, and force him in on the property to try and snare a few. not sure how that would work out for you. your call. you may give them permission for a few weeks, then they want back in next month, then during deer season. cause they didn't catch as many as they wanted to, like they have so far with their pig trapping.
you don't have to be that exact, plead the 5th.
research.:rolleyes:

[deerslayersean]

take them to some random spot in the woods they wont know the difference

[freedom]

agree with others, be up front and tell em no, see what they got to say then... a cross road is good nuff if ya ask me. if your pushed tell em you;ll do the killing for research just give ya a permit;)

[huntingfool]

I'm not sure I should be to open with them..if they find me in my tree 1 min. after shooting time ..I'm sure they won't waste a second writing me a ticket..

[ub1243]

Hunters shrink New Jersey's wild boar population
by Brian Murray/The Star-Ledger
Sunday March 01, 2009, 9:30 AM
They are cunning and ferocious, but the mysterious feral pigs of New Jersey were no match for the state's top predators: hunters.

State wildlife officials report that 56 of the bristly-coated swine -- more than half the estimated population -- were killed in December and January in the first New Jersey feral pig hunt in the wilds of Gloucester County.

The hunt was the second phase of a long-term plan by the state to wipe out the free-ranging hogs known worldwide as the ecological menace Sus scrofa.

"We still don't know how big the population is, but we hope the hunters got most of them," said Lawrence Herrighty of the state Division of Fish and Wildlife, adding, "We are going to attempt to continue shooting and trapping the pigs ourselves."

Federal biologists first tried trapping the hogs last year, but managed to bag only three between June and August. Then the state added wild boar to the menu during the annual deer hunt, with the results announced last week.

Next, Herrighty said, comes the "Judas pig technique."

"We'll be trapping individual pigs and putting a radio collar on them," Herrighty explained. "We use the collared pig to lead us to the rest. You don't want to hang your hat on just one thing to get rid of them."

Federal and state wildlife authorities suspect the swine -- common pests in other parts of the country, but previously unknown here -- began secretly breeding in a remote corner of South Jersey about 15 years ago.

Locals knew of them, but officials didn't take notice until 2001, when a sounder of wild hogs rampaged over the fairways at White Oaks Country Club in Newfield, a golf course located in the state's 2,675-acre White Oak Branch Wildlife Management Area.

Unlike the peccary or javelina of the Southwest, the only piglike creatures native to North America, these feral swine are imports. They are descendants of domestic pigs, Euro-Asian invaders accidentally introduced to North America by Christopher Columbus and subsequent explorers to eventually become one of the most destructive invasive species on the planet.

"They are one of the biggest threats to our environment because of the damage they do," said Len Wolgast, a member of the state Fish and Game Council and former wildlife biology professor at Rutgers University.

Wherever they take hold, the pigs root up native grasses and plants, kill habitat for native creatures and push out other wildlife as they aggressively fight for territory, Wolgast said. In Gloucester, the pigs already have turned sensitive vernal pools into wallows, displacing rare reptiles and amphibians.

These outlaw farm pigs have an uncanny ability to revert from plump, pink domesticated porkers to a seemingly primitive state -- growing tusks, getting lean, sprouting hair and turning black shortly after feeding in the wild. The metamorphosis is compounded in subsequent generations.

"The belief is that our pigs got loose from a hog farm in the early 1990s, but we have no proof," said Herrighty.

There are an estimated 6 million or more feral pigs in the U.S. alone. They spread through migration, deliberate introductions and accidental releases of domestic pigs. The feral swine are now a destructive force in 44 states, including Pennsylvania, according to the United States Department of Agriculture.

The Gloucester County pigs still carry some traits of their domestic ancestors, said Lou Gehringer, owner of the Sportsmen's Outpost in Williamstown, where many of the hunters registered their killed pigs for state records.

"All the ones checked in here had hair -- they looked like wild pigs. But they were different colors. Some were jet black, but others were orangish and some others were tannish with black spots, especially the smaller ones," he said.

Hunters were told they could shoot wild pigs at the start of the traditional, one-week shotgun season for antlered deer in December. But the hunt was limited to where the pigs have been spotted -- a geographical region around Monroe and Franklin townships in Gloucester County outlined in state hunting regulations as Zone 25.

"We found that a lot of guys just wouldn't shoot the pigs during buck week because they wanted to get their bucks first, so the initial number of kills was low," said Herrighty. "They got back to the pigs later when we let them continue."

Hunters pursued the pigs with shotguns, muzzleloading rifles and bow and arrows through Jan. 31. Some used corn to lure them in, while others put on drives, walking through thick brush to push the pigs to other hunters.

"Most of the pigs checked in here were shot with shotguns," said Gehringer. "I had a couple with muzzleloader, and one with a bow -- a young boy got a pig with his bow on New Year's Eve and it weighed about 110 pounds."

It wasn't the biggest dragged into Gehringer's shop. That honor went to a 250-pound porker brought down with a shotgun on Christmas Eve. But, in a subsequent survey of hunters, the state learned a 308-pounder also was bagged -- along with a youth or "shoat" weighing 10 pounds.


"We'll be trapping individual pigs and putting a radio collar on them," Herrighty explained. "We use the collared pig to lead us to the rest. You don't want to hang your hat on just one thing to get rid of them."



sounds like this is what they want to do.

[The Ridge]

No, But you can tell ME:D:D:D

[onthehunt]

I hate to say it, but CO's can be sneaky. Borderline entrapment. The reason I hate to say it is because they have a tough job and are understaffed so they have to use all means necessary to get info. Just the way it is. Most are real cool, Never had a problem with them, first name basis and all, but this past year I ran into one that changed my whole outlook on them. One bad apple.........:mad:

[Barrell]

read the post ub1234 posted, They want to get rid of them and they need to know how far and where they are. Be honest and give them the location. I cant beleive anyone would refuse to cooperate or try to decieve them.

[River Rat]

Last week I got a call from nj fish and game following up on the pig kill..They asked me to show then my spot next week..They want to kill 1 or 2 for research..i'm not sure if I should..
Just cooperate with them.As long as you were legal you will be fine.Talk to the CO and emphasize how important the location of the spot must be kept on the low down.HRL:)

[River Rat]

read the post ub1234 posted, They want to get rid of them and they need to know how far and where they are. Be honest and give them the location. I cant beleive anyone would refuse to cooperate or try to decieve them.
Barrel some guys are really awkward towards CO's.Some have had bad expieriences with them.If you are a suspect it doesnt matter how innocent you know you are.The interogation process really sucks.I know they are only doing there jobs,but sometimes the info they recieve is BS,HRL;)

[ub1243]

i'm friendly with a few of our CO's.
they are sneaky when they have to be.
but i still don't think i would give locations. it's above our local CO's. this goes way up the chain at fish and game. not saying anything bad about the state trapper, but they tried that, didn't work. now it seems like they may force their way onto properties if they don't get invited. they may be able to force into a piece saying eco-damage, bla bla bla.

call the southern div. have a talk with a CO. try and find out what they really want to do. a few co's may tell you what is in the real game plan. some will talk off record.

if they wanted them wiped out so bad they would open the season to land owners all year, not that they aren't getting shot already all year. open it during turkey, no driving. open it for the woodchuck hunters, let them go over the .25 cal 100gr just in case a pig shows.
the same should be done for coyotes, not that that isn't happening already. ;)

[Darrin Greene]

You're just leaving yourself open to too many problems by telling them.

Why put yourself or them in a position? Someone finds your spot and sets up on ya, next thing you know you're blaming the state... Could be a lot more hard feelings that it's worth.

They are hunters. They can figure it out themselves. If they can catch a poacher they can kill a pig without your help.

[Esetterman]

I agree with Green, however, lets hope nobody is poaching.

[Darrin Greene]

I agree with Green, however, lets hope nobody is poaching.

No, no I didn't mean any one was poaching, believe me...

I just would rather we stay our seperate ways, the CO and I, unless there is something going on where I need him.

The ones I know understand I would rather not see them other than a license check and a friendly chat.

[meatonastick]

DO not tell them. They will do thier homework and find a general area or someone else will tell them. I wouldnt help them at all. Like you said, their there to help you with a f'in ticket when ever they can. Id like to get a crack at one next year! Im surprised they are trying to eliminate them. They want to trap a couple to see if they are ok to eat and then they are going to charge you to hunt them with tags and permits like everything else in this state. Screw em!

[huntingfool]

I am going to help them. I don't think that I'm helping the ticket happy cowboy that gets his kicks breaking chops. I'm helping so that the state has as much valid information as possible. So they can make educated decisions about this problem. I think that it's a great thing that they ask for a hunters help. That tells me that they want to work (with) us. Nobody spends more time in the woods than the hunter. Who else could they ask? We all have a big problem with the way our country and state are run. Most of the people sit around and do nothing but complain. The definition of insanity is waking up every day doing the same thing and expecting things to change.. I'm going to get off my soap box now and get a beer..

[meatonastick]

Grab me one too!:cheers:

I just dont see anything " good " coming from it. One- either they will try to kill as many as possible at night, not even letting the hunter kill them, or they are going to start charging you to hunt them.

There goes your spot!:thdown:

[njhunter11]

I'd at least try and get them to throw you a bone first. What's in it for you? Maybe they'll hook you up with some free permits or something in the fall. Never hurts to ask!

[huntingfool]

Today was the day, 12 trucks, some loaded with atvs and 22 people, from bear control to fresh water fisheries and disease biologists from the usda. All officials from the Delaware Watergap to Cape May. Much more than I expected. The only thing missing was the press. We all met at 8:30 and as soon as the group from north Jersey bear control arrived we moved out to the woods. To quote one of them "let's get out of here before the cameras show up". The purpose of it all was to try to harvest a pig so that the usda could take samples. Blood samples need to be taken within 1 hour of the kill. We help them set up 3 drives ..Today the pigs won. It was great to part of it.. I met some good people, some I hope to call friends. It's good to know that our state has knowledgable people working for us. I hope I can work with them again..Next time with a little prescouting and a few more people we can bag a pig or two..

[Ole 20 Point]

Are they coming back? What the heck did they need 22 people for? :huh:

[Eddiep]

take them to some random spot in the woods they wont know the difference

:thup:

[huntingfool]

why did they 22 people? Some were from the usda.. We needed 42 or 102.. to set up productive drives. they need boars sows and piglets. .to take samples ..blood, dna.. Samples must be taken witin 1 hour of the kill..

[meatonastick]

Cool man,
Glad you guys made out alright. I just hope they arent in there for the next fw months tryin to kill a couple. Be nice to let the woods calm down for a while. They really beat the hell out of them areas during shotgun season.

[swab1985]

Yeah Im not to sure about all of this. CO'S can be downright sneaky. Out in medford they will try to "lure" you into the saftey zone just to give a ticket.. If you ever hear a crow call, unload your weapon before yuo go looking! I'm sure it happens elsewhere too. I wouldnt be taking them to my spots unless something was gonna be in it for me. If you deer hunt that area, you better hope they wont be running that area during your seasons