crossbows?

[huntingfool]

How sure we that crossbows will used in the 09 bow season.

[Z-Man]

I hope so I just purchased one and am selling my longbow!

[freedom]

last tusedays meeting we were told maybe, heres what we were told it's a code change, there is about 10 pages of code changes and in the past only the new changes were reviewed & or passed.

but now they want the lawers to reveiw all the codes to make sure everything is good. & this is about a 2 inch thick stack,so in the best words all i can say is its being bogged down, with all the extra review where no changes are being made & by the way was reviewed by the lawers..

so maybe yes maybe no

next during the meet we discused the dropping of the deputy program, there were as many as 125 deps but slow was allowed to drop down to only 29 they do an avage of 2000 man hrs a yr.a lot of this was nigth patrolls were two officers are needed for saftey reasons

they ended the program cause of fear of lieablity there was more talk of to what kinds & hows and made some scents in the times were in of law suits,but i'm still not happy loseing them, there was much more to it but i wouldn't do it well cause of my typein & spelling skills somethings would lost in tranlations.

so were down to just the co;s doing there 35 hrs aweek to cover all, i'm not happy,but would be if i were an outlaw is great news:rolleyes:

[Ole 20 Point]

I hope so I just purchased one and am selling my longbow!SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Don't tell anybody on here man, you'll be crucified for being lazy! :razz:

[Makoman]

I spoke with the NJ Fish and Wildlife rep at the AC boat show and he really had to idea if or when the change would occur.

[DV1]

I spoke with the NJ Fish and Wildlife rep at the AC boat show and he really had to idea if or when the change would occur.

It's a done deal and has been from the start a few years ago...unless of course, they get ALOT of opposition.

Bow season has been on the chopping block for a few years, and the axe is about to fall. :(

[fraid.knot]

the new reg.s in pa is that cross bows will be legle for the 2009- 2010 hunting season for archery season not muzzle any more only if you have a special permite for any gunning seasons also there will be resrictions on scopes the power on them no mullty powered or high fixed powers it may be 2x at the most but it will be state wide for archery Ive hunted with a cross bow for a while now and it can be harder then a compound to hunt with a lot heaver to carry around and to get into shooting possition with a deer looking at you a high powered cross bow will hit a lot harder to about 30 to maybe 40yrd. but most common used cross bows are only a littel stronger up to 20 yrds. or so the only advantige I can see is sitting and waiting at a ready possition and they can be deadly at closer range they have pros.and con'sI'd hunt with a compond if if I could so be carful be for you pick :confused::confused: there both fun and good if you practice just different from each other

[jj300426]

I think crossbows should only be used for people who have disabilities

[DV1]

I think crossbows should only be used for people who have disabilities

When they post the official comment period, write the Fish and Game Council and tell them that.

[Whiskers]

The last couple of years the Corzine administration has been going thru fish an wildlife codes with a fine tooth comb. I beleive they are looking for a way to outlaw hunting, or make is so difficult or expensive that people will give up.

[Cat]

Guess it's just merely a matter of time, like the changing of the gard:huh:

They will be here soon enough.

[hd2500]

outlawing hunting will only make all the hunters hunting legaly now outlaws ,myself and all my friends that hunt won't give up this right, our big brother has infringed on way to many of our freedoms already , wonder how they'll make up for all the money lost on permits/liscenses not to mention all the small buisnesses that will drastically suffer from losing the income they get from us hunters

[huntingfool]

The regs in some states crossbows are only allowed during the firearms season. Whats the point of that?

[Ole 20 Point]

Prolly to appease all the bowhunters that believe the xbow is more like a gun. ;)

[huntingfool]

I am a bowhunter. There is alot more to hunting deer than the weapon you have.. people miss deer with buckshot.. I'm not sure crossbows are the ultimate killing tool.

[bluecollar$]

I am a bowhunter. There is alot more to hunting deer than the weapon you have.. people miss deer with buckshot.. I'm not sure crossbows are the ultimate killing tool.
More advanced then any other archery equip.............????:huh:

[huntingfool]

times change. We all get old.

[ridgerunnerron]

How sure we that crossbows will used in the 09 bow season.

Do we really need a crossbow season? :confused:

How many weapon choices do we need? :confused:

We have longbow, recurve, compounds w/ diff cam ideas, slugs, buckshot, muzzle- be it inline, flint, or caplock, etc, etc. Sept to Jan seasons. Out of state rifle hunts. :shoot::shoot::shoot::shoot:

So do we really need a need to crossbow hunt?(unless some have a disability) :nuts:

[R & R]

Do we really need a crossbow season? :confused:

How many weapon choices do we need? :confused:

We have longbow, recurve, compounds w/ diff cam ideas, slugs, buckshot, muzzle- be it inline, flint, or caplock, etc, etc. Sept to Jan seasons. Out of state rifle hunts. :shoot::shoot::shoot::shoot:

So do we really need a need to crossbow hunt?(unless some have a disability) :nuts:
What is your point?
I get that you don't need any more choices but why would you speak for evrybody eles.
The only group that I know that forces their way on us hunters Are the AR folks.

[DV1]

The only group that I know that forces their way on us hunters Are the AR folks.

I'll introduce you to two more "groups"...the Division of Fish and Wildlife, and the Fish and Game Council. They force "their way" on us via regulations.

Can't just do what you want, someone is always telling you what you can and can't do, and how you can and can't do it.

In reality, the Division and F&G Council are the groups actually forcing their way on you...the animal rights groups just yell alot and accomplish very little in the way of forcing you to do things their way.

[huntingfool]

This is America..Freedom of choice..right to bare arms.. Do you really think hunting is about the weapon? Bow hunters will have sundays to hunt. How is that fair to the shotgun hunters.

[Ole 20 Point]

Then pick up a bow. If you don't want to, that's YOUR choice. ;)

[R & R]

I'll introduce you to two more "groups"...the Division of Fish and Wildlife, and the Fish and Game Council. They force "their way" on us via regulations.

Can't just do what you want, someone is always telling you what you can and can't do, and how you can and can't do it.

In reality, the Division and F&G Council are the groups actually forcing their way on you...the animal rights groups just yell alot and accomplish very little in the way of forcing you to do things their way.
Ahhhh! Another fish & game hater.
Your 100 percent right but the difference is the Fish & Game have huntings best interest at heart. No hunting = no jobs for them.

[DV1]

Ahhhh! Another fish & game hater.


You are clueless. I actually like the fact they set regulations and wish they would be even a little more conservative with them. I was just pointing out the obvious that AR groups aren't forcing anything on us, the regulatory bodies are.

You should have just stuck with the second sentence of your post.

[ub1243]

the one big problem is see is adding another weapon, with no safety class, full inclusion on a bow season, adding pressure and success rate.
take a walk on any state piece that has unlimited doe hunting for 4 months. the damage is done. the seasons should be adjusted to let the deer rebound, not add people, pressure and kill rates to go higher.
we will see higher hunter numbers and permit buyers for the first few years, which is what f+g wants, $$$. but after a few more years of over harvest on state land, those same guys will leave the sport because the deer numbers aren't there. why continue to waste time out there if your not seeing any deer. the ones they will see are the displaced spikes and buttons from the private lands that didn't kill off the deer herd.

[bluecollar$]

Crossbows are for guys with one arm.... If thats you then have fun.:thup:

[huntingfool]

ub haves a valid piont about the safety classes. just loading and unloading is harder than most people realize. I can see someone falling from a tree when loading. or worst..pulling a loaded crossbow up with a string. string breaks crossbow falls down arrow or (bolt) goes up hunter comes down.

[30Pac]

The regs in some states crossbows are only allowed during the firearms season. Whats the point of that?
The point is that they are the less lethal weapon. They are used in gun season by hunters who want a bigger challange. If they were used in bow season, it would be less challanging and un-fair to bowhunters.

[30Pac]

outlawing hunting will only make all the hunters hunting legaly now outlaws ,myself and all my friends that hunt won't give up this right, our big brother has infringed on way to many of our freedoms already , wonder how they'll make up for all the money lost on permits/liscenses not to mention all the small buisnesses that will drastically suffer from losing the income they get from us hunters
That is never going to happen. EVER!

[30Pac]

Ahhhh! Another fish & game hater.
Your 100 percent right but the difference is the Fish & Game have huntings best interest at heart. No hunting = no jobs for them.
Im no hater, however, the reason huntings best interest is at heart of F&G is because without us, there is no them.

[R & R]

Im no hater, however, the reason huntings best interest is at heart of F&G is because without us, there is no them.
& without them we have no hunting..... It goes both ways.

[Mossy Oak]

R & R ...You are truly clueless!!!!!:nuts:

[R & R]

R & R ...You are truly clueless!!!!!:nuts:
Am I ??? You mean if the scum bag union ass kissing admin we have in office right now disbanded the fish & Game we would still have a hunting season. You can't see Corslime closing the fish & game thru budget cuts?
Your clueless if you don't think we need the Fish & Game as much as they need us.:nuts:

[DV1]

You mean if the scum bag union ass kissing admin we have in office right now

I'm no fan of Corzine... but just what is it you do for a living R & R?

[R & R]

You tell me.

[Mossy Oak]

I'm no fan of Corzine... but just what is it you do for a living R & R?

Aha! R & R has nothing to say for once! R & R is a liberal, Open to any idea socialists!:thdown:

[DV1]

You tell me.

Don't know, that's why I asked.

[R & R]

Aha! R & R has nothing to say for once! R & R is a liberal, Open to any idea socialists!:thdown:
Me A socalist? That is a Hoot. I'm more of an R than you will ever be. I've been a Republican committe (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=committee)man before & have sat planning/zooning boards as a R appointe at 18 years old.
How the hell would you think that after I blasted Corslime not 2 replys before?
Don't know, that's why I asked.
Sorry for the rude comment.
16 years Graphics/Merchandising Manager.

[DV1]

16 years Graphics/Merchandising Manager.

I just asked because of your post about Corzine kissing the unions A$$, and didn't want to assume what you did or didn't do.

For the record, Corzine is far from kissing the unions a$$, and like I said, I'm no Corzine fan.

Personally, I hope he loses the election by 90 percent, but he is sticking it to the State workers pretty good here.

A wage freeze is one thing, but a furlough is actually a pay cut. Is your employer asking you to take a pay cut? If he/she were asking your to give up a contractual wage increase, accept a freeze, and go even further by violating a contract and forcing a pay cut, would you consider your employer to be kissing your a$$?

I'm guessing you would prefer he just lay off 7 or 8,000 workers. My next question, why is forcing someone into unemployment good, or desirable in either the private sector, or civil service? How will laying off employees help with the economic recovery? Will that not just swell the ranks of the unemployed, and uninsured, which cost the State money in another way?

(yea, I know it's off the crossbow topic, but it's better than re-hashing the destruction of New Jersey's bow season, right? :p)

[R & R]

If AIG pays it employees with money they don't have they are hung from the highest tree but yet our state does the same thing.

There is a large sector of state workers that have their own reality. Acruded(???) sick days, benifts that don't equal the average of what the private sector gets & pay increases off tax payers back. All this under the MOTTO " give us what we want or eles we won't work & don't dare get somebody to work for us.
HAs my employer cut my wages?? Yup. Just like almost every private sector worker my benifts are just about gone. Not to mention our work is merit based not promised to me forever. In other word the real working man has to put out or they get thrown out.

[njhunter167]

If state workers have it so good then why are you not working for state instead of complaining about them? I never found that people who argue that point had any valid remarks. They choose the jobs they have because they choose them and they know what they are getting into and what they are getting from them just like teachers and cops... but everyone wants to complain about the neja or pba and the money and benefits they make but again if they have it so great then why didnt they do it? you are where you are because of what you choose to do in life.. dont complain now...there is a big difference between government work and private sector work..take my job for example we pay into our own pension and we pay the highest deduction the the state to do it..

[ridgerunnerron]

Remember
The original subject on this thread was
crossbows?

[Z-Man]

I agree this has nothing to do with crossbows. I keep looking for updated information on a rule change and all I see is this bull :nuts:!

[Chief Alen]

Someone posted only people with disabilities should use a X-Bow. I'm new here on this forum and don't want to step on any toes.

My question does being mentally disturbed count as a disability?

If yes i qualify, seeing as my 21 year old daughter is slowly driving me stark raving crazy. :nuts:

Really don't know if i would use a X-Bow, never have, i have hunted for years and years with a compound, pearson, at the time state of the art bow.
I bought it more then 20 years ago never failed me.

This is really why i posted, new equipment comes along all the time, is it the equipment that makes the hunter ?

Maybe i could ask the question differently.

But getting off the subject a little, i have state of the art shotguns, and in NJ thats all a person is allowed to hunt with.

What i use today, is a sears 12 gage pump shotgun, that came with 2 barrels, the one on the gun is a rifle sight, that i shoot 00 buck thru.

But if i wanted i could use a slug, see sometimes if i setup in a wide open area i use a slug as the first shot and 00 buckshot for the 2 others.

What is most comfortable for the hunter, and going to make a good clean shot, is what should be used.

Isn't that what every ethical hunter wants?

Maybe i rambled here a bit, but i use equipment such as the shotgun, that i have used for close to forty years, the bow 20 years, i know them, they are in good shape, and i am comfortable, with them.

[ACEarcher]

Here in Pa it just became 100% legal state wide. I really don't have a huge complaint with this as because I've delt with it for the past several years here in SE Pa (in 5C we've been aloud to use them for a couple years now) I do however have some conserns and questions about the effect of using crossbows state wide. I will point out one thing though. One thing that really gets me though is the fact that the people really politically rallying for this are the crossbow compainies. I've seen them at the PGC meetings and I've heard them speak. They as representatives have no place at those meetings! Hunters have every right via for or against to be there and voice their words, but not the compainies who are going to profit from this!!

Several things I will say about the issue though:

Will the harvest increase? If it does are archers going to loose weeks. If the harvest gets to high then they'll shorten the archery season. No study has been done to show or prove this so I think one should be done. Not to mention their is no data available on this having some will provide us insite on where the future could lead.

More people need to be made aware how how effective of a killing machine crossbows really are. It isen't as simple as people think. Their is more speed and less kinetic energy dealing with a crossbow thus offereing less penatration.

Unfortunatly (and it is very unfortunate), crossbows are the preferred choice of poachers. Will we now have more poaching incidents if we allow crossbows?

[Ole 20 Point]

Here in Pa it just became 100% legal state wide. I really don't have a huge complaint with this as because I've delt with it for the past several years here in SE Pa (in 5C we've been aloud to use them for a couple years now) I do however have some conserns and questions about the effect of using crossbows state wide. I will point out one thing though. One thing that really gets me though is the fact that the people really politically rallying for this are the crossbow compainies. I've seen them at the PGC meetings and I've heard them speak. They as representatives have no place at those meetings! Hunters have every right via for or against to be there and voice their words, but not the compainies who are going to profit from this!!

Several things I will say about the issue though:

Will the harvest increase? If it does are archers going to loose weeks. If the harvest gets to high then they'll shorten the archery season. No study has been done to show or prove this so I think one should be done. Not to mention their is no data available on this having some will provide us insite on where the future could lead.

More people need to be made aware how how effective of a killing machine crossbows really are. It isen't as simple as people think. Their is more speed and less kinetic energy dealing with a crossbow thus offereing less penatration.

Unfortunatly (and it is very unfortunate), crossbows are the preferred choice of poachers. Will we now have more poaching incidents if we allow crossbows?

Oh you just HAD to go and get us all riled up about crossbows again eh? :eek:

My opinions, for whatever they're worth, are:

I agree there was an appearance of "too much pressure" from the crossbow manufacturers and it does lead one to wonder how much they had to do with the approval process moving forward.

If the harvest increases I just don't see it being material enough to cause changes to the seasons. Guys will find out quick enough that it just ain't all that easy even with a crossbow and they'll come and go from archery just like always. The diehards like us that do stay won't be enough to change the numbers statistically and materially...I have no facts, just MHO.

Since crossbows are suspected as the preferred poacher weapon, why would they care if they are legal or not? They could always get em. So I don't see the legalization increasing those numbers materially either.

I'm glad they approved the crossbow, it gives the youngsters more opportunity to get into the game and we need them to help our love of hunting to survive the future. ;)

(Just to remind all...I don't own a crossbow, but I do hunt with several guys that use them, so I have seen them in action in the field.)

OK, let me have it...:please:

[ACEarcher]

Since crossbows are suspected as the preferred poacher weapon, why would they care if they are legal or not? They could always get em. So I don't see the legalization increasing those numbers materially either.


Sorry I should of explained myself better on this one. I just think it will be a lot easier to get away with.

[Ole 20 Point]

What that says to me is that you may believe some of the guys that choose the new weapon for bowhunting will also decide to become poachers. I hope that's not what you meant and I surely hope you are not right.

Crossbows have been available to the poachers for some time now, and yes, any that are using them will be able to more easily get away with the crime in silence.