baiting

[bowhunter71]

ive been baiting snce october with regular corn,sweet potatoes and apples. 2 weeks ago i put mollases corn out because that is all i could find 3 hundred pounds. the deer are gone , all i have there know is turkeys,squierrels and black birds 1 or 2 does during the night.is it because i changed the bait???????:confused:

[meatonastick]

Its probably the thousands of hunters trudging through the woods with shotguns?? just a guess. I havent been seeing deer like bow season since gun came in

[hd2500]

most likely not the bait change, more likely the pressure most deer have had on them for the last 5 months, they also change there habits/areas when the temps change, around me they've been herded up the last couple weeks and have moved into the thick cedars ( maybe it's warmer in the swamps)especially when its windy

sucks when they change up right at the end of the season

[bighunter301]

my spot has gone nocturnal as of jan. 1st good thing I bought my permit early:mad::mad: They are on the camera from 9pm until 3 am nothing inbetween for 3 weeks......I have hung it up awaiting turkey season.....

[Ole 20 Point]

It must have been all those damn xgunners that were running drives through there...SOBs I tell ya...:D

[stephenf]

move 300yds of the bait find the run they are using set up on it , go out tommorow and find the beds in the snow make a note for next year and for the remainder of this year . dont ever give up think outside the box

[Bird Boy]

the same thing is happening to me. it is not the bait it is the changes in patterns that they are taking from all the pressure on them. wait till next year (or find a private piece not hunted hard) and in the summer in mid august early sep. start baiting hard in that spot. put the cam. out and youll see tons of deer on it. ive found that that is when you see the most deer and you can find tham in velvet. i find all of my new spots like that.:thup:

[tuny]

I've always enjoyed finding runs and setting up on them watching deer move naturally through the woods. To sit on a bait pile and watch skittish deer come in for a hand out does not appeal to me. It would be the same to me as setting out a bird feeder and shooting the birds with a BB gun. If you want to be altruistic and help the deer that's fine, just don't invite them to dinner just to shot them. Let's get back to being hunters not just shooters. Set up a feed station then hunt runs well away from it, like a sportsman. This gives the deer at least a fighting chance to avoid you, and you a chance to see deer in more of a natural relaxed state. If there several hunter in one piece of woods, maybe join efforts an make one centralize feed station with each hunter taking a different location to set up. This way you won't have competing bait piles and it may even reduce the cost of maintaining the station. An even better idea is to improve the habitat in your area. Helping the habitat will benifit the deer and other wildlife all year long not only when you decide to hunt. This can be done with fertilizer and plantings. A little research and some field work will go a long way to making your next years hunt a more successful and enjoyable one.:thup:

[DEER CHUM]

This time of year I have found that deer often change pattern and "herd" up together in an area due to the change of seasons and "some" human pressure, but they are always still around.

I try not to get stuck on one stand and stay mobile with a climber.(it seems like most "baiters" are very reluctant to leave the security of their pile)

You need to adapt and adjust as the deer do. Find the new food source they are using and set up near it, most likely they all will be "yarded" up together when you see them.

[bowhunter71]

i hunt about 60 yards from my pile on a run i have a camera out and have not really seen any movement except 1 little doe at night . 2 weeks ago i had a lot of dear on the camera until i put the other corn out.dont know what is going on othe than too many people in the woods ive been waiting to catch someone on my pile as the other day there was tracks in the snow heading towards my pile andthey werent mine

[Ole 20 Point]

Set up a feed station then hunt runs well away from it, like a sportsman.I set up near apple trees and oaks...does that lack sportsmanship? Just curious...:huh:

[Revclimber]

60 yards is by no means "away from the pile" you have to get further then that for the deer to feel secure.

I know alot of baiters dont believe this, but deer actually do switch food sources with the change in season and dont really want to hit the bait piles. Their metabolism changes and they go back to browse. While they still will hit some corn, they already know they need other food sources and nutrients their natural environment gives them. Just cause you have a pile of golden nuggets, doesnt mean the deer will come to them the same as earlier in the season. If deer depended soley on handouts of corn, they would starve to death and have been found dead from malnutrition with a full stomach of corn.

[tuny]

I set up near apple trees and oaks...does that lack sportsmanship? Just curious- Ole 20 point

I appreciate your knowledge of the natural food sources and the use there of.:thup:
I think everyone is looking for an edge. I just don't feel it needs to be an artificial one that may not be mutually beneficial to both the game and the hunter. As I stated before planting food and fertilizing plants to help them produce does more good in the long run than plopping down a sack of food and sitting by it like a vulture.:huh:

[DV1]

I don't bait, but wonder if maybe I should. Don't know if it would make a difference, but I have hunted 17 times since I last pulled a deer out of the woods Thanksgiving morning, and I have only seen one fawn in those 17 sits.

Yep, public land is great. :rolleyes:

[bowhunter71]

i hunt on nature conservancy property with permit but there are nature trails that they just cut in there and people are all over the woods .the trails are suppose to be closed during hunting but people dont listen walking dogs through there and everything else. i have ben hunting since october and have only seen a handfull of deer during shooting hours so if i did not bait i probably would not have seen any. is it true that n.j is trying to make us pay to bait?if it is that is a crock.as far as getting deer to come to the bait pile and shoot them is wrong i had a number of small deer come to the bait pile during bow and i let them go.i agree that everyone is looking for an edge.. especially if u are hunting publi land or as my situation nature conservancy were the deer are so spooked that they only move at night

[what the buck]

over the years of sitting on bait i took notice of the deer staging up 20 to 30 yards from the bait and walking around to inspect before they came in. i moved my seat right outside the staging area and now i c deer that arent so jumpy. deffidently a big difference.

[Rackem Up]

Baiting a waste of time and money! It must be real exciting sitting over that pile waiting for those button bucks and does to come to the bait 5 minutes before dark. Plus it is a lot easier than actually hunting deer, lazy man's way to hunt. Put your time in, and hunt like a man.

[onthehunt]

I'll be over the white oaks in the fall:). Guess I'm a no good cheater too:razz:

[Rackem Up]

If you can't figure out there is a difference between hunting some white oaks, and a bait pile, I don't know what to tell you. 75% of the guys that are bait hunters don't know the difference between whites, reds, blacks and chestnuts.

[what the buck]

Baiting a waste of time and money! It must be real exciting sitting over that pile waiting for those button bucks and does to come to the bait 5 minutes before dark. Plus it is a lot easier than actually hunting deer, lazy man's way to hunt. Put your time in, and hunt like a man.
you must be one of the guys who set up on other peoples bait piles:thdown:

[what the buck]

i guess that makes me a lazy fisherman too.

[Rackem Up]

Believe or not there was deer hunting before baiting and people actually killed deer. For every good buck that is killed over bait there are 10 that are not. Woodsmanship is lost art! I guess if you go on a hunting trip you could always fill your suitcase with corn.

[R & R]

Hunting, besides the kill, is what it is to each person. Don't jam your OPINIONS down others throats like anti-hunters do.
You would'nt happen to be a lindenwold cop?

[Ole 20 Point]

Hunting, besides the kill, is what it is to each person.:thup::bow:;)

Hey can I "steal" that for my signature line???

[KILBO]

Hunting, besides the kill, is what it is to each person. Don't jam your OPINIONS down others throats like anti-hunters do.
You would'nt happen to be a lindenwold cop?

I'm glad you said it before I did R & R because I've already had a run in with someone on here about sarcasm and thats all I'm gonna say.:thup:

BRIAN

[timbouy]

Baiting a waste of time and money! It must be real exciting sitting over that pile waiting for those button bucks and does to come to the bait 5 minutes before dark. Plus it is a lot easier than actually hunting deer, lazy man's way to hunt. Put your time in, and hunt like a man.
Well I'am not a big fan of baiting,but it's an easy way to get kids involved in the sport.

[Ole 20 Point]

I had not thought about it that way timbouy...GREAT point!!! One thing about today's kids is that they have been VERY spoiled with instant gratification. And sitting or walking all day and not seeing much close action on deer just won't get very many of them very excited.

[meatonastick]

Hunting, besides the kill, is what it is to each person. Don't jam your OPINIONS down others throats like anti-hunters do.
You would'nt happen to be a lindenwold cop?

I was waiting for you to bless us with your words. I dont know what we would do without you on the buckbarn. Your a real benefit to have around:nuts:

[meatonastick]

Why the hell does anyone care how somebody hunts? who gives a sh*t? Are you that poor of a hunter that you have to focus your attention on someone else?

Wake up, you live in NJ. Move to cananda if you dont want to see people in the woods when there not supposed to be, or people pushing deer all over, etc,etc....

Make the best of it and stop discriminating people for how they like to harvest deer.

BTW- I dont use bait, and I kill PLENTY of deer:wave:

[Ole 20 Point]

Gotta agree with ya Meat. Every location may require different methods of hunting at different times. As long as the hunt is being done in a legal manner, it's the hunters choice how they decide to chase and/or attract their prey in order to deliver a clean shot.

[R & R]

I was waiting for you to bless us with your words. I dont know what we would do without you on the buckbarn. Your a real benefit to have around:nuts:
I stating my opinion just like you.
I'm sorry if I didnt teach you how to tie your shoes while commenting.
I will work on it.

[meatonastick]

Ok, thats enough your hurting my feelings now:D

You just made my day!!! I ran home to check my computer to see if you replied, and you did!!!! YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!:wave: