Would you hunt a elephant?

[The Ridge]

On Verses this morning the program was hunting elephants.They tried to make it like a dangerous hunt but basically the guy walks up to the elephant and shoots it in the brain.
Its known that the elephant stocks are down and poaching is ramped.I am no anti and respect the right of hunters to take any game they can legally hunt but I would rather see a crow hunt than a guy getting out of a truck walking 50 yd and shooting this thing thats standing there thinking what the hell is going on .

Fair chase? Big Money that goes to the benefit of the animals??

[edemi1]

i love hunting, but i think that the people that hunt for just a mount (elephant, lion,griz, etc.) are a**holes. if you are killing anything just for bragging, your an a**hole. if your going to eat it or feed someone else with it, thats what its about.

just my opinion.

[SEMIAUTO]

I think if they wanted a real hunt they should only be able to use a spear , maybe a bow ? Now that would be a good hunt to watch .

[edemi1]

I think if they wanted a real hunt they should only be able to use a spear , maybe a bow ? Now that would be a good hunt to watch .

there you go :)

what part of twp you in semi.

im in hurffville

[SEMIAUTO]

I'm over in Whitman Square .

[Setterman]

No. As a little kid I once thought that was "cool". As I've gotten older my attitiudes and opinions have changed.

I wonder sometimes if all those hunting shows which have inundated the airwaves and internet today haven't been a partial reason why the anti-hunter's and PETA activists are so up in arms against hunting? Fifty years ago, there were no hunting shows, no internet, no proliferation of pay-to-kill sideshows behind fenced enclosures in existence. There weren't many activists around either. While those shows are informational in some respects, we've also done a lot to bring attention to ourselves, and a lot of it is negative in the last twenty years. Attitudes and times have changed.

[The Ridge]

I had a few non hunters over for a sleep over a family of 5.They are pro hunting but just do not hunt.I fish with them a bunch anyway they thought that the elephant hunting was just flat out wrong.We changed the channel and all agreed that hunting is a great family outdoor tradition and activity but it was not proper for our kids to watch the elephant hunt
Double Standard on our part???? don't know but thats how we felt.

[Unami]

I know several people who have been to different areas of Africa. Remember Africa is big. Real big. The elephant population is fragile in some areas and exploding in other areas. There area areas that really need management hunts to keep the population in control. In most areas elephants are not easy to shoot. When you get within range you really need to make your shot count. People are killed every year by injured elephants over there. It's like shooting a cement mixer and hoping it dies before it drives over you.

As for hunting them. I would. The residents really need the meat. The elephant population in those areas needs to be kept in check. It is the most dangerous game animal. What an adrenaline dump.

[nontyp-hunter]

I have business associate who hunted in Africa for several animals and was sucessful in hunting the animals he went to get. The monies that are generated for the local villages and economy on these hunt is invaluable in the local people surviving. We do not understand the way they live compared to the lives we do. My friend paid around 15,000.00 to go on this hunt and by the time he got the animals back from the hunt he had well over 30,000 tied up. A lot of the monies go to the outfitter but the outfitters pay a lot of the locals to do all the work required to prepare for the hunts and manage the camps. By doing these hunts the local villages get much needed revenues to support thier local economies and allow them to provide meat for the whole village. He said they would treat the hunters like they were gods. Most game becomes sustinance for the village. Moneys paid for these hunt allow locals funding to patrol and also keep poachers from killing animals and sending the animal out without having any effect on the local villages. Villages can build wells, schools and other very important life sustaining items that most of us take for granted.
I must say shooting and elephant in the head is not what I wolud like to do as a "hunt" but it is still a very important "hunt" for some.

[RUSS0079]

i love hunting, but i think that the people that hunt for just a mount (elephant, lion,griz, etc.) are a**holes. if you are killing anything just for bragging, your an a**hole. if your going to eat it or feed someone else with it, thats what its about.

just my opinion.

Understand that the meat from all animals killed in Africa are utilized by the people in the villiages. Protien in Africa is worth more than the diamonds in the mines. I don't know what you saw on Verses, most elephant hunts are done on foot as Game Officals are with the hunter and his PH. Elephants don't tolerate people and I'm sure if you saw what a Jumbo does to a person you would change your mind. Just my two cents.
Russ

[RUSS0079]

I also believe what you see on TV mis represents Africa. I also think you can't have an honest representive of Africa and the hunting there unless you have been there. So remember that most of the hunts you watch on TV aren't really hunting. I'm here to tell you that hunting in Africa is probably the hardest as far as spot and stalk as you can get, other than hunting sheep. There are things in the African bush that will kill you in a matter of seconds and not think twice!!!! And if you miss Jumbo at 25 yards for a brain shot, (which is the size of a coffee can) he will rearrange your body, so mom or wifey will not be able to tell the top from the bottom. Know the facts!:cool:

[EMK]

Wild elephants will attack with no provocation and the meat is used to feed a lot of people in the local villages.

, but we think its wrong for a guy to shoot a mature bull elephant that in 99% of these cases has be tearing up the livelihood of local villagers and homes.

[EMK]

To answer your question. No I wouldn't fly to Africa just to hunt an elephant myself.

[jacktyler 820]

PERSONALLY I HAVE A WHITETAIL ADDICTION,BESIDES 15-30K THATS ALOT OF TRIPS TO THE MIDWEST!:yahooo:

[never better]

I can't bear to watch those shows when they hunt elephant, just doesn't seem right to me. I would never express my opinions to a non or anti-hunter, but I'm not a fan of leg-hold traps or whaling either although I understand that indivduals have a right and tradition involved in both of those activities also and I would support that right as long as it doesn't endanger any populations. But personally I don't care to watch or participate....

[RUSS0079]

Wild elephants will attack with no provocation and the meat is used to feed a lot of people in the local villages.

, but we think its wrong for a guy to shoot a mature bull elephant that in 99% of these cases has be tearing up the livelihood of local villagers and homes.

Thank YOU!!!!

[RUSS0079]

Dag Gone It, Adam,
I would like to know if EMK insulted me! Stop being so fast on the edit buttons. You're like the poster child for Barack Osama Bin Laden Obama! I'm on the midnight shift so I can't check out all the stuff. On a serious note, Gents, Save your money on a Elk Hunt and take a 8 day plains game safari and speak to a reputable PH about huntin any of the BIG FIVE. You'll learn why it is and has to be done. ITs just like managing the deer herd in the TRI State. Hell, I can't wait to go back!!!!!!! Big money? Yes! Plains game big money?????? HELL NO!!!!!:)

[Pagrizz]

Years ago I would have hunted them without question,But the more I learn about them I could not do it .That's why I stopped hunting bear .I have guided bear since 1983 and have gotten to respect them so much.I have gotten to think about elephants the same way .I guess I have watched to much National Geographics.

[R & R]

Are you serious? Elephant stocks down? Time to get your animal facts from another channel besides the animal planet.

[Pagrizz]

The only areas where the population is down is where hunting is not aloud and poaching goes on .The areas where the locals benefits from hunting have learned how much money and work it brings in .Plus they get the meat.

[BarnesX.308]

I would have no problem with it and it might be fun. However, I could find other ways to spend my $$$ and vacation time.

I'd do plains game, a hunt out west and a fishing vacation in the Bahamas.

[BarnesX.308]

Send them to me and I can put them up.

My boy's first squirrel was a great moment for both of us.

I took him deer hunting on Saturday. Had a close call but no venison.

[coopster-123]

BarnesX.My son took his first squirrel this year also.His comment was Dad my edreneline,is realy kicking in,his legs were shaking a little.He missed a doe this past youth day.I would have loved to see that kick in.

[EMK]

Dag Gone It, Adam,
I would like to know if EMK insulted me! Stop being so fast on the edit buttons. You're like the poster child for Barack Osama Bin Laden Obama! I'm on the midnight shift so I can't check out all the stuff. On a serious note, Gents, Save your money on a Elk Hunt and take a 8 day plains game safari and speak to a reputable PH about huntin any of the BIG FIVE. You'll learn why it is and has to be done. ITs just like managing the deer herd in the TRI State. Hell, I can't wait to go back!!!!!!! Big money? Yes! Plains game big money?????? HELL NO!!!!!:)



No I didn't insult you Russ. I made a general statement that everyone is ok with shooting button bucks, but not ok with shooting a bull elephant that is a problem.

I have no idea why it got pulled because it I made a statement about no one specifically. I think the mods are a little over vigorous. I post a comment like this after my post and the deleted it completely, which will probably happen again.

[The Ridge]

Are you serious? Elephant stocks down? Time to get your animal facts from another channel besides the animal planet.

IS THAT RELAY THE POINT OR TOPIC? WHO ARE YOU F/N TEDDY ROOSEVELT?
Frankly I don't give a hoot about how much it cost to shoot a friggin elephant or that good hearted soul who spent 30 k to shoot one is going to feed the whole village with his good fortune of shooting as some of you say a stampeding wild renegade of an animal.When frankly TV tries to support the show hunts with as much action as they can and this friggin pachyderm was just standing there.

Don't you think that the 30 k would buy some real protein tools,medicine.farm equipment......

How about this for an idea. Let the villagers shoot and harvest the creature?:D

[R & R]

IS THAT RELAY THE POINT OR TOPIC? WHO ARE YOU F/N TEDDY ROOSEVELT?
Frankly I don't give a hoot about how much it cost to shoot a friggin elephant or that good hearted soul who spent 30 k to shoot one is going to feed the whole village with his good fortune of shooting as some of you say a stampeding wild renegade of an animal.When frankly TV tries to support the show hunts with as much action as they can and this friggin pachyderm was just standing there.

Don't you think that the 30 k would buy some real protein tools,medicine.farm equipment......

How about this for an idea. Let the villagers shoot and harvest the creature?:D
Is it the point? Well you made the statement that ther numbers were down so I geuss it was te point. BTW your wrong. There is no difference shooting an elephant than shooting a whitetail.

[The Ridge]

Is it the point? Well you made the statement that ther numbers were down so I geuss it was te point. BTW your wrong. There is no difference shooting an elephant than shooting a whitetail.

The end result may be the same but driving a Land Rover within 30 yards of a whitetail is pretty hard and my scouting practices usually do not include a helicopter to locate and herd.

[The Ridge]

Is it the point? Well you made the statement that ther numbers were down so I geuss it was te point. BTW your wrong. There is no difference shooting an elephant than shooting a whitetail.

BTW please let me know the number on the elephant stocks of Africa so I can properly represent my post with the most current accurate number.

I would really hate to lose sleep if I have misinformed anyone.

So back to the POINT R & R would shoot an Elephant?

[The Ridge]

Send them to me and I can put them up.

My boy's first squirrel was a great moment for both of us.

I took him deer hunting on Saturday. Had a close call but no venison.

S, I will send the pics.Connor has had a few first this year.He got his first Squirrel,Sea Bass over 4lb,Tog over 4lbs,Bluefish over 14lb,Striper over20lbs.
I had that poor kid out to the 100 line inside the Baltimore searching for Dolphin his favorite fish.We ended up with 2 nice yellow fins but he was bummed over the Dolphin. We did not catch a one.To make matters worse some boat south of the Elephant Trunk (Ironic) near the Tea Cup got on the radio saying he was covered up in Dolphin and wish he had a tuna bite.

Connor and I were hunting the other nite up on a private piece my buddy owns in Perkasie.We had some movement behind us but nothing happened.Its a good spot but he is running out of time.Its the property were I got that monster earlier in bow.
I am taking Joe D there over the holidays.Try to help him fill that buck tag.

[RUSS0079]

The end result may be the same but driving a Land Rover within 30 yards of a whitetail is pretty hard and my scouting practices usually do not include a helicopter to locate and herd.

Drive a LandRover with in 30 yards???? Helicopter ????? Totally illegal!!! Good luck in African prison!!!!!!!!!!!Not any African hunt I have seen. I've seen one decide that a car that was sight seeing needed body work with 10,000 lbs behind a set of tusks. If what you say is right, and that's what you saw, you did not see a real elephant hunt. It is miles and miles and miles of walking. Finding tracks, tracking for miles and miles and miles then finding out the animal isn't able to be shot, because it isn't old enough or large enough.. Do this for up to 14 DAYS! That is an elephant hunt. Most dangerous game hunts require a goverment game warden, plus your PH. You will not be shooting an elephant anywhere near a vehicle. Like I said, must not have been a real elephant hunt. Oh you mentioned protein tools? The whites brought them there and it destroyed the habitat and all but exterminated the wild animals with the desease that they brought (cattle and sheep). And thank God the people realized that the animals where worth more than their cattle, or those species would be extinct.. Not just Jumbo, Cats, Plains Game, because they all have a tie to the plains and habitat. OK you wouldn't hunt an elephant. I would, the right way!!! On its terms, close up, not from a LandRover. Now back to more important things, like how am I going to fit all my African Trophies in my game room this month?:nuts:

[RUSS0079]

Ridge,
Sorry just read about taking the boy hunting, disregard the Anti?? Missed that piece..
Russ

[The Ridge]

Ridge,
Sorry just read about taking the boy hunting, disregard the Anti?? Missed that piece..
Russ

Hey Iam at fault a bit here Russ although shooting a elephant is not my bag and what Verse's portrayed last Sunday was a pick and shoot I got a bit carried away. My man R&R has that effect on me:nuts:

R&R no harm:wave: